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Skusme si tak laicky pospasovat s myslienkou, ci je toto dalsi krok k umelemu vedomiu. Enginu moze docvaknut, ze pojem 'google engine' je on sam. Moze sa zacyklit v snahe pochopenia co to vlastne je a zrazu precvakne...

Siet podobnu neuronovej ma, dokaze chapat, senzoricky system ma tiez. Co este chyba?

e: Este schopnost tvorit a ucit sa. creativity machine je na svete tiez. co to ucenie? analyza, synteza...?




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acidmilk
 acidmilk      20.05.2012 - 19:56:53 [1K] , level: 1, UP   NEW
chyba toho este dost vela .)
to co pises je pekne, ale ako si to predstavujes technicky s tym 'precvaknutim'? problem je medzi inym v tom, ze ak chces tvorit nejaky nedeterministicky inferencny engine (taky co ma sancu v nejakom momente zacyklenia 'precvaknut') musis to tak nejak voperd zabezpecit, aby sa to udialo. dokonca aj keby si to spravil ako nejaku emergentnu ficuru tak taketo veci tam nezacnu vznikat len tak same od seba.
mozno sa skusme zamysliet, ci termin vedomie je vobec v pohode na oznacovanie takychto javov. mne sa zda, ze to strasne zavana antropocentrizmom a predstave umelej inteligencie ako niecoho co musi byt nutne podobne ludskej mysli. to je asi aj jeden z dovodov, preco nemam rad uvahy motajuce sa okolo turingovho testu.

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Thunder Perfect Mind
 Thunder Perfect Mind      20.05.2012 - 20:17:16 , level: 2, UP   NEW
imho jedine co este zostava (asociativne pamate a inferencne enginy uz su, prepinanie medzi nimi urcite tiez) je ono "sebauvedomenie" a to ako spravne pises nevznikne samo od seba, musi byt explicitne...

co sa tyka antropocentrizmu, je dost mozne ze to k tomu bude smerovat nie z nejakej nostalgie ale preto ze ludske myslenie je celkom efektivne (modelujeme prirodu pretoze priroda to vymyslela dobre).

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acidmilk
 acidmilk      21.05.2012 - 10:51:03 , level: 3, UP   NEW
verim, ze by sme nasli v prirode nejake mozgy, ktore riesia urcite problemy efektivnejsie, alebo minimalne inak a podobne efektivne nez clovek.
ale ten moj povodny prispevok bol skor o vedomi ako takom a vobec ludskemom presvedceni, ze ak nieco ma byt skutocna umela inteligencia, musi to mat nevyhnutne take iste vedomie ako mame my. kedze mame taky problem vobec definovat co vedomie skutocne je, alebo pochopit ake by to bolo mat ine vedomie, pride mi trochu absurdne sa tym zaoberat. namatkovo ma napadaju nejake decentralizovane modely.

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Thunder Perfect Mind
 Thunder Perfect Mind      21.05.2012 - 11:08:45 , level: 4, UP   NEW
ano, na specializovane problemy existuju lepsie prisposobene organizmy (nie nutne s mozgom), na vseobecne problemy nie.
ak nevieme co to vedomie je, je to o dovod viac namodelovat ludsky mozog ;) ale do filozofie som nechcel. imho sa v pripade vedomia dost jedna (z hladiska procesov) o prioritizaciu/pridelovanie zdrojov a podobne, len to berieme prilis osobne :)

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lubomier.sk
 lubomier.sk      20.05.2012 - 20:21:38 , level: 3, UP   NEW
Existuje referencny ramec, ktory tu potrebu explicitnosti demonstruje?

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acidmilk
 acidmilk      21.05.2012 - 10:52:13 , level: 4, UP   NEW
skor je otazka, ci existuje referencny ramec, ktory ju vyvracia.

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bakany
 bakany      20.05.2012 - 18:08:25 , level: 1, UP   NEW
Only one third of a search engine is devoted to fulfilling search requests. The other two thirds are divided between crawling (sending a host of single-minded digital organisms out to gather information) and indexing (building data structures from the results). Ed's job was to balance the resulting loads.

When Ed examined the traffic, he realized that Google was doing more than mapping the digital universe. Google doesn't merely link or point to data. It moves data around. Data that are associated frequently by search requests are locally replicated—establishing physical proximity, in the real universe, that is manifested computationally as proximity in time. Google was more than a map. Google was becoming something else. ...

ENGINEERS' DREAMS By George Dyson
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dysong08/dysong08_index.html

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lubomier.sk
 lubomier.sk      20.05.2012 - 18:43:22 , level: 2, UP   NEW
Jules Verne tiez pisal kadejake haluze... a vidis to.