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vid dennik: /id/1836423|ehm nechcem aby steho citali cely je to ajtak xty klon ale su tam mozne perspektivy| 'moja' odpoved: /id/1836565 dalsia alternativa
vieme zriesit? priblizit?

pre-source::

/id/516715!! - ehm manifesto

"..Potom ako sa zaregistruje uzivatel do systemu (pri registracii sa okrem mena hesla a emailu budu zadavat aj tzv. klucove slova) sa zadane klucove slova (keywords-kazdy uzivatel sa pokusi charakterizovat okruhy zaujimov tymito slovami) vyhladaju v celej databaze. Vyhoda systemu spociva v tom, ze kazda vec, ci uz uzivatel, subor, alebo povedzme registracny skript ma v systeme jasne urcenu 'POLOHU'. Na zaklade zadanych keywords a vysledkov vyhladavania sa registrovany uzivatel umiestni na bod geometricky najblizsie k vsetkym vyhladanym keywords.." [zdroj: ergond /id/97624]

ideaz::

##[clustering by K, synapsie vztahou]
##strict K filter
------kombinacja tychto dvoch je uz powerfull
##konkretne 'grupy'
##blizkost nod
##tiez dake napady
##friends[ nieco ako last, ale bude tam poslend eod friendoch {popripade setky posledne ale len nazov v zozname} a aj dennikyt od friends, a kcka od friends]

.. more ideas welcomed, ale realizacie este viac

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+ userlist [w8]

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tmp notices::

- OT/flejm mazem
- ak najdete dake nody podobe ako v topicu na danu temu bud ich linkite[put] albo hodte link v prispevku [alebo do topicu rovno]
- plz veci o ignore liste neriesit v tejto node [iba ak by sa to preplietalo, inac mazem]
- tak toto je len tak narychlo noda ma za ucel zoskupit ludi a idey [ktory/ktore to su] a realizovat

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ok, je pekne, ze pisete traktaty o vsetkom moznom, ale dostane sa nieco aj ku mne na stol? davam dokopy totiz strom required features na v3 a fakt by som to tam velmi rad zapracoval, aby sa mohlo premyslat nad logickym a datovym modelom :)
dakujeeem :)

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tak si dajme stretnutie a porozpravajme sa o tom nazivo, a pockajme na MARINa kym sa vrati z rumunska.. lebo takto je to tazko, musim esa dohodnut, nie konat samostatne nezavisle na ostatnych..
ja som za kombinaciu impicitneho a explicitneho urcovania, mozno ani nie tak priamu kombinaciu, ale moznost vyuzivat oboje.

a neryp ;)

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tu mate vase Free Guilds :)
http://kyberia.sk/id/2514017

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urcite to myslite dobre a uzijeme si s tym vela zabavy :) ale popri by ste predsa len mohli spravit moznost zobrazovat kackovane nody ktore su detmi vybranej nody. bol by to taky velky problem? vyberiem nodu 63540 a vidim len pocitacovo orientovane kackovane nody. no nie?

to co chcem vidiet by malo volako vychadzat zo mna, a nie z automatizovaneho systemu hm. mozno to len nechapem spravne...

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myslis nieco ako http://kyberia.sk/id/63540/15 ? :)

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no presne, vidno ze nesledujem :) je tam moznost aj casoveho filtra? za poslednych 24 hodin a podobne?

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pomaly ale isto dochadzam ku nazoru ze taketo nieco treba. som s vami.
technicky povedane vedel by som si to velmi dobre predstavit z hladiska kodu kedze 2.3 je na to pripravena z hladiska programovatelnosti [ mozno umysel, mozno nie ].

[dodatok]
ale viac ku tomu ked si precitam cele forum a navrhy co tu padli

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hm
tak skúsim niečo napísa?
1. K-moderovanie - o tom som už písal, príspevok je nalinkovaný v topicu, slashdotovský model spomenutý nižšie sa mi páči. + rozšírenie možností K-listov, tam je veľa otvorených možností.
2. groups, ignorelist, homogenity and consistency - pre mňa asi najdôležitejšia otázka, určujúca čo a ako. Predstavenie feature ako ignorelist, grouping (guild), zvyšovanie miery autonómie, teda zvyšovanie vzdialenosti medzi ľudmi/skupinami (ktoré "chcú" by? od seba ďalej) nesie so sebou riziko vytvorenia úplného múru. To nie je problém, ak chce by? kyberia diskusný server, osobne si ale myslím že by sa mala skôr podporova? určitá otvorenos?
voči iným. To znamená balansovanie na hrane medzi prílišnou blízkos?ou (súčasný stav - veľa flejmov a osobných treníc) a prílišnou vzdialenos?ou (keď sa každý môže utiahnu? "do seba"). Z toho výchádzjúc: ignorelist - nie. Ale potešila by možnos? vytvára? explicitné skupiny užívateľov (nie implicitné, tvorené "nejakým" clusteringom, to je síce zaujímavý experiment ale zatiaľ nič praktické) a tieto používa? pri definovaní práv rovnako ako bežných užívateľov.
3. gov...
--to be continued--

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rieky guildy
nie s hranicami alebo aj hej ale skor
ne
fragmenty
-vrchna vrstva [x]html/css {praktikovanien hajlajtu dehajlajtu v node}

-lajer2 sablony.. tematycke nody samotnych 'guild' mozno ani nie kokretne
ale personalne [sak sablona]

-lajer3 output/input z/do DataBazy .. hehe toto ideme ako prioritu riesit ze? osobne nechcem riesit nove veci do db ale aplikovat to co tu je ale mozno aj nie.... najvhodnejsia cesta teda ako tu uz bolo parkrat spomenute[a zevraj urza stym kedisi prisiel] riesit to opodla bookmarkov] ale rad by som to rozsiril

chjaj zly prispevok
pradon zhrnam nic nic nove
nic konkretne =/

ale este sa treba prisposobit/vyuzit novu apkrejdaciju kyberia [ak sa zriesi tak bude radykal zasah do systemu]

a to vyuzit tiez
lebo to uz bude riadna strategia ze nacom vam zalezi nacom nie [nnie z hladiska read/write] ale ostatne eventy.. sak hromi napise.. uvidime[

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imho opakovanie matka mudrosti a ja si to potrebujem napisat, aby som mal jasny ciel pred sebou a mozno to aj inych zaujima aj ked to tu dokola omielame..

== idea ==

guild:: skupina ludi so spolocnymi zaujmami
z mojho pohladu vychadzajuc aj z idei prezentovanej v CryptNet:: by /dev/atman [hromi],

ako vytvorit gildy::
-) clustering podla roznych atributov usera a relacnych informacii {friends, bookmarks(!! vychadza ako najrozumnejsi variant s najvacsou vypovednou hodnotou !!), movement, neurons .. }
-) asistovane manualne porovnavanie informacii o userovi a bookmarks = template pre porovnavanie a filtrovanie
-) podhubie sa vytvara zefektivnenim systemu triedenia kyberia stromu [id/101], pripadne az v senate rozhodnut o niektorych diskutabilnych forach. v pripade, ze klub zachadza do viacerych oblasti, pouzit linkovanie a na pevno ho umiestnit podla rozhodnutia senatu, vycistit strom

naco je to dobre::
-) guild_last:: zjednodusene sortovanie novych informacii v okruhoch zaujmu usera (moze byt vo viacerych gildach)
-) shared guild bookmarks (efektivnejsou cestou ako len pridavanie pripsevkov do standardneho fora)
-) tlak na zefektivnenie bookmarkovych templajtov ako takych (pridanie novych alertov napr. 'reakcia na moj prispevok' )
-) zjednodusena gildova "samosprava" (nie celkom adekvatne slovo, ale snad sa chapeme) a v buducnosti pripadna moznost migracie na samostatny server
-) guild_k&stats:: ktore budu mat jednoznacne vyssiu vypovednu hodnotu ako terajsie K a nemusia sa obmedzovat len na okackovane prispevky, ale mozu filtrovat aj, ktory user dostava v gilde za svoje prispevky najviac K, ktory user prispeva najviac a kde, pripadne list guil_members a nieco malo informacii k nim, kde najviac prispevaju, kde dostavaju najviac K.. len pripomeniem, ze tieto informacie nemaju sluzit pre vytvorenie sutazivosti medzi usermi, ale cisto informacne, zjednodusene povedane, kto ma najvacsi prehlad v akom obore atd.

.. priebezne bude snad doplnane

povinne citanie

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zacal by som povrchne sociologicky
a parsonalizovane

cize nie fora gildovo [...]

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-lajer3 output/input z/do DataBazy
mmntalne prudko nerealizovatelne imo, vzhladom na: cas, ludske zdroje, celkovu koncepciu ownera kb, do kt. clust. uplne nezapada,
ja osobne zatial robim nieco ako offline grouping a ta prezentacna vrstva ma az tak nezaujima... po patricne dlhom praktickom poexperimentovani by sa niektore casti ale mozno mohli inkorporovat aj do tpl/sablon /s vyuzitim offline predpripravenych dat ../

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a neslo by to nejako dynamicky?

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po patricne dlhom praktickom poexperimentovani :)

inak, ak sa to nejak rozumne podari, potom ma napada trebats tpl, kde budu cojaviem v posled. iba subs od clenov guild a trebars aj prispevky filtrovana iba cez clenov, nieco na ten sposob...

v prvom priblizenu by som bol najskor rad, keby sa to podarilo, coby fun, rozumne zobrazit..

a sprav mi tu template na single nody konecne! :) a ids, keby sa dali uz...

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uz uz len som si zacal ulietavat na 3d 'grafoch' =]] [ajked zatial takmer neuspesne][hm architekturu virtualnej sociologie necham napotom]

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mno, maly napad, ktory nesuvisi s clusteringom, ale je to mozno sposob ako lahko a jednoducho ziskat o ludoch zaujimave kyber-informacie.
predstavme si templatu s formularom::
zakladom bude polozka "id" kde si vyberieme dotycne idcko. povodne som sa chcel zamerat na friends, ale preco sa obmedzovat. moze ist napr o idcko z urcitej "zaujmovej skupiny", ktore su sucastou MARINovej idei, aby sme nemuseli vyberat z 5000 entit.
mohlo by existovat na vyber niekolko druhov filtrov, podla toho na aky typ informacie sa zameriavame. napr. pokial by sme sa chceli dozvediet nieco o bookmarkoch dotycneho/dotycnej, mozeme vliezt do usernody a pozerat sa tam, ale nie je to prilis prakticke a pri pocte bookmarkov okolo 100 ani zabavne.. takze, co sa tyka bookmarkov filtre typu "spolocne bookmarky" a "tie ostatne/tie co su naviac".
potom by sme sa chceli zamerat na prispevky.. tak by existoval filer, ktory by prehladne zobrazil, do akeho fora/for najviac prispeva (percentualne), alebo nejaku kvazi tabulku poslednych prispevkov prerozdelenu medzi fora. som si isty, ze nejakym sposobom by sa dal filtrovat aj obsah prispevkov (klucove slova, hladanie tagu <img src> a pod. )

a este by mohlo byt zaujimave vymysliet nejaky sposob vyuzitia neuronov, len nejako nerozumiem , ako to vlastne funguje.

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toto mi zacina pripominat Velkeho brata... alebo mozno santu - len neviem na co budu informacie o idckach uzitocne, chcete ich nejak pokutovat/odmenovat alebo len tak zo srandy/informacie do buducnosti kam bude smerovat server?

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prosim precitaj si topic
a vela vela dalsich veci

dakujem

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prepac, blbo som polozil otazku, sry

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It seems like the quality of comment posts is declining. Are you doing anything about it?
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http://slashdot.org/faq/com-mod.shtml

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why clustering by k?
more interesting would be using friends
so that u see what social groups are and also visualize them......for me k is a lost issue...it will never reflect any quality or spirit on kyberia,,,i think that it can be used maximally parodically........viac when i have more time

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takze zhrntie... [zatial]
podla coho sietovat:

- synapsie [ehm neurony etc.]
- friends
- k [ale len ciastocne v zaklade]
- bookmarks
..

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i dont believe in neurons
still dont understand exactly how they are realised
everytime i check my neurons im amazed what is there
guess it happens also to other people
and thats why in gnd's first clustering i dont believe
i know also that there is a big difference beetween the interface [the kyberia that we see] and how the system is build
but for a social clustering i think it is better to use friends

as for k
sometimes i give k just to piss off somebody, soemetimes to make fun, soemtimes to draw attention on a topic
k is a to subjective system....

blabla
its just that im more interested in the community and social issues and also hwo to visualise this and show the transformations
than just to obtain any result and nice images

but first gotta learn more on neural networks:]
another issue which many people cant get it completely coz its based on very complicated calculations
and u can use soem externals in pure data adn gives u soemthing and u have to take it coz anyhow u dont know more
i think best is if more people try and compare results
or if various methods are used

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no to je problem ako vela o usroch sa vies dozvediet z "interfejsu: akym je kyberia.. a este raz - friends je neuprimne a nepravdive este viac ako neurons,.. aj ked sa priznam ze neurons funguju naozaj zvlastne.. mozno by pomohlo keby hromi uverejnil kod tykajuci sa neurons a mozno aj checkol ci to bezi spravne lebo mam pocit ze daco bezi ale nie celkom..

++ implementovat zanikanie synapsie ked sa dlho nepouziva (ako zivy system - synapsia ktora je nevyuzivana sa zacne zmensovat)

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yeah, coz u believe too much in mathematics...but friends u choose most of the time on a true basis, while k uthrow around
as for neruons, lets see what the Master hromi sais

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podla [K] by sa dala v pohode urcovat kvalita a pribuznost, ale potrebujes na to zopar ludi ktori by mali byt urcovany nahodne. system na slashdote bud prikladom. ku kazdemu clanku sa vyberie nahodne zopar regnutych userov ktory prejdu celu diskusiu a vyberaju tie najlepsie kusky (akesi polomoderovanie). ostatny uz len zberaju plody takejto prace. kvalita tych ktori "polomoderuju" sa urcuje karmou (positive alebo negative) cize ak vyzdvihujes nespravne prispevky nedostanes druhy krat sancu udelovat hodnoty.

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Akurát že v tomto prípade porovnanie so slashdotom dos? kríva, lebo má mnohonásobne viac aktívnych užívateľov. Čiže výber "moderátorov" by som nechal na prirodzený výber - komu sa chce, ten nech označuje príspevky. Tak ako k.

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ale potom je potrebne pre [K] udelit kategorie. pretoze mnoho uzivatelov mnoho chuti. [K] malo pravdepodobne reprezentovat to naj z kyberie za nejaky cas. pri tomto pocte prispevkov to ale nieje 100% spolahlivy mechanizmus. cize [K] dostanu aj hodnotne prispevky ale nemusia ma zaujat. moderator moze byt kludne urceny nahodnym sposobom. kto nechce moderovat zaskrtne policko "not interested" a system vyberie dalsieho. ale na pociatku by samozrejme mali byt moderatori urceny. vsetko samozrejme, ako si povedal, zalezi na pocte uzivatelov. ich system mozno nieje najlepsi ale funguje spolahlivo.

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by K [+ /id/1839628]
-it is just one idea

and that gnds clustering looks more efective hm
but i thing if there are more 'kays' it would be more ehm efective? [more shure]

ehm but i do not know exactly how to do it all and how to make it real here [i mean clustering]

hm inac K parodically, i know that it is not so good to divide it by this [/id/1590937] but if it is one the atributes it could help... and if its not so strict [for example just dividing giveing K to some 'temporary balast' [uf im starting to speak bullshits ehm sory, but hope that u understand what i wanted to say]

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hehe thats what i do :)

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i saw your clustering but it looked chaotic to me[=
[also i wasnt able to find me there, just mi sub id]

update ::
im there 'Holden Caulfield' [in same cluster as you hehe]

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yeah, i just wanted to give u the chance to be modest and share things:]

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