Re[11]: Ockovanie :: Something smarter than us is going to emerge


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lol, ja neviem preco sa co na slovensku ockuje. to rozhoduju neviem aki ludia podla neviem akych kriterii a to vobec neni predmetom (tejto) diskusie. ja sa snazim rozoberat pozitiva a negativa ockovania ako takeho a ty tu furt silou-mocou pleties nejake regionalne nariadenia.

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ako skeptik limitovany vedeckymi studiami a relevantnymi dokazmi by ta prave mala zaujimat odpoved na otazku preco u nas musis, a inde mozes

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preco by mala? mna zaujima fakticka pravda (tj ci funguje ockovanie, ako to funguje atd) a nie "preco u nas ano a inde nie". to nema nijaky suvis so vedeckym skepticizmom, neviem preco to davas dohromady.

a prestante sa so mnou bavit o povinnosti ockovania! uz som tu tisickrat napisal, ze to mi je ukradnute, ze chcem debatovat iba o samotnej ucinnosti vakcinacie. ffs.

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podľa tvojej logiky,tam kde je očkovanie nepovinné,je účinnosť menša a tým pádom aj oveľa vyšší výskyt chorôb,proti ktorým sa očkuje.je to tak?

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Epidemiologie pertuse v ČR a srovnání s ostatními evropskými státy
možno Ti tato prednaska pomoze najst odpoved na tvoju otazku :)

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In certain parts of the US, vaccination rates have dropped so low that occurrences of some children’s diseases are approaching pre-vaccine levels for the first time ever. And the number of people who choose not to vaccinate their children (so-called philosophical exemptions are available in about 20 states, including Pennsylvania, Texas, and much of the West) continues to rise. In states where such opting out is allowed, 2.6 percent of parents did so last year, up from 1 percent in 1991, according to the CDC. In some communities, like California’s affluent Marin County, just north of San Francisco, non-vaccination rates are approaching 6 percent (counterintuitively, higher rates of non-vaccination often correspond with higher levels of education and wealth).

That may not sound like much, but a recent study by the Los Angeles Times indicates that the impact can be devastating. The Times found that even though only about 2 percent of California’s kindergartners are unvaccinated (10,000 kids, or about twice the number as in 1997), they tend to be clustered, disproportionately increasing the risk of an outbreak of such largely eradicated diseases as measles, mumps, and pertussis (whooping cough). The clustering means almost 10 percent of elementary schools statewide may already be at risk.

edit : okrem toho
a prestante sa so mnou bavit o povinnosti ockovania! uz som tu tisickrat napisal, ze to mi je ukradnute, ze chcem debatovat iba o samotnej ucinnosti vakcinacie. ffs.

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mňa napríklad korelácia medzi povinnosťou a účinnosťou v dnešnej dobe zaujímala.dík za článok,ktorý ju potvrdzuje

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clanok nemam, ale pozri si henten clanok vyssie
http://kyberia.sk/id/6609279
strana č.12
Norsko, Svedsko, Finsko su krajiny kde ockovanie proti ciernemu kaslu nie je povinne a je tam vyssia incidencia s porovnanim s napr. Slovenskom a Polskom (kde ockovanie proti pertussi povinne je)

tie cisla som overil
je to prepocitane na 100 000 obyvatelov

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pisem ze kazda ma svoje parametre... netvrdim nic o incidencii a nespochybnujem ucinnost ockovania a suvislost s jeho plosnostou... atd.

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hej hej pozeral som aj celú tú prezentáciu,sú tam zaujímavé čísla,thnx

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je otazne ci tam kde je ockovanie "nepovinne" je aj mensia zaockovanost, pretoze "nepovinne" ma v roznych krajinach rozne vyznamy.

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Lebo moje dieta sa riadi nimi. A celosvetovo to vznika zas len z "lokalnych" podmienok. Ci ked precitame USA studiu v Europe, tak je smerodajnejsia?

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o rozsahu povinneho ockovania rozhoduje aktualna epidemiologicka situacia v tej-ktorej krajine (a ocakavane trendy do buducnosti). hlavnym poradnym organom v SR je v tomto pripade Pracovna skupina pre imunizaciu pri Urade verejneho zdravotnictva. vid tu: http://www.uvzsr.sk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=426:pracovna-skupina-pre-imunizaciu&catid=68:epidemiologia&Itemid=76

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inymi slovami, nemas co povedat k debate pozitiva vs. negativa ockovani (objektivne), je to tak? vsetky tvoje argumenty sa vztahuju na politiku zatial