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Slovak Open Source Initiative
Slovenska Open Source Iniciativa

clen Aoste.org (Alliance of Open Software and Technologies Europe)

http://www.skosi.org
http://sk.openacademy.eu/

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Doing what matters
Jan Husar: Open Source je zralok
Jan Husar a SKOSI [SK]
VideoInterview Jan Husar - SKOSI
Chair of Slovak OpenSource Initiative outlines vision [EN]

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famed free software advocate and computer scientist Richard Stallman has resigned from MIT:
Following outrage over his remarks about Jefferey Epstein's victims, Richard Stallman has resigned from his position in MIT, effective immediately. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him -- even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
"I am resigning effective immediately from my position in CSAIL at MIT," Stallman wrote in an email, referring to MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. "I am doing this due to pressure on MIT and me over a series of misunderstandings and mischaracterizations."

Stallman also resigned as president from the Free Software Foundation (FSF) as well as from the organization's board of directors, FSF announced shortly after.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/d5p37z/richard_stallman_on_pedophilia_this_was_on_yt_a/

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Demencia, ludom uz uplne jebe. Spojenie click-bait zurnalizmu s SJW syndromom.

Napisal:
> We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates.

Prekrutene:
"Famed Computer Scientist Richard Stallman Described Epstein Victims As 'Entirely Willing'"
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing

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nerob vlny vo svojej bubline

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meanwhile, maxwell chodi po slobode, niektore z bab boli rekrutovane v mar-a-lago, a ja verim na konspiracie

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wow toto je uplne sialene, ked autisticka preciznost narazi na sjw outrage culture (ktorej prave vytvorila priestor zrod)

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rms bol megacreepy (sukanie rastlin anyone?) a internet je plny pribehov dievcat ktore s nim mali velmi "neprijemne" rozhovory. skratka, idealny maskot pre /g/

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uplne irelevantne k tomu shitstormu co sa stal

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nevien o tom, moze byt, ale kvoli tomu cancelled nebol

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tunak vysvetlenie a viac kontextu:
https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/d5axzu/why_isnt_there_any_discussion_about_the_stallman/f0l21m3/
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbm74x/computer-scientist-richard-stallman-resigns-from-mit-over-epstein-comments?utm_source=reddit.com

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...ked sa chce, tak sa da...
https://www.itms2014.sk/we-love-oss
https://youtu.be/aILjUyER8N8

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no jo, fajn ze je to open source, tiez pouzivam kde sa da a propagujem
Druha vec je ze chalani co na tom robia celkom nadavaju ze tych 36 modulov z ktorych sa to sklada je dobra divocina a ani poriadne test casy nie su porobene

Flicker
Żubr żuł żuchwą żurawinę

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a takto nejak to bezi
https://www.itms2014.sk/aktuality/aktualita?id=b4ab4efa-69bb-41ef-9279-f4616bf2113d

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https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/

od roku 2005 udrziavaju list priorit, pre tento rok to prekopali.

The new list shows the FSF will continue financially supporting Replicant, their free version of Android, and they're also still supporting projects to create a free software replacement for Skype with real-time voice and video capabilities. But they're now also prioritizing various projects to replace Siri, Google Now, Alexa, and Cortana with a free-software personal assistant, which they view as "crucial to preserving users' control over their technology and data while still giving them the benefits such software has for many."

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Prosim podporte a vyjadrite sa k teme pouzivania opensource a otvorenych formatov vo verejnej sprave na progresivne.sk . Aby aj v tomto ohlade bolo Slovensko trasparentne. Nie ako teraz, ked sa dodavaju uzavrete molochy za 70 milionov eur (vid socialna poistovna) a dodavatelia maju zabetonovane pozicie.
https://komunita.progresivne.sk/t/pouzivanie-open-source-softveru-a-otvorenych-formatov-dokumentov-vo-verejnej-sprave/301

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Otvorene formaty vo verejnej sprave su v zakone uz teraz. 55/2014:
http://www.epi.sk/zz/2014-55#f4041233

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To je pekne, ze docx a xlsx, tie mimo office sa zvyknu zobrazit rozdrbane.
To uz aj uzavrety doc sa zobrazuje lepsie.
http://www.minv.sk/?ko_dokumenty_pk

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Na tom linku co si dal vidno, ze tento web nesplna zakon, 'DOC' nema byt pouzivany.
Ako donutit niekoho naplnat tento zakon? Kontrolovanim, urgenciou, pokutami?

Rovnako rozbity sa zobrazuje dokument z inych officov v tom MS office. Jediny dokument ktory si drzi format ktory poznam je PDF.

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Ja by som povedal ze ten link s DOC-om nesplna odporucanie o pouzivanych dokumentoch. A mozno by sa to dalo riesit kontrolovanim, urgenciou a pokutou.

A taktiez vymyslenim specialneho wordu, co splna ISO na docx a xlsx.

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nema to tu nevyhodu ze by aj bezpecnostne aplikacie museli byt podla GPL licencie verejne?

Modelova situacia: Na MO SK prijmu stázistku Zuzanu z Kybérie. Zuzana je angazovana mlada dama ktora sa nevie stotoznit so spinavymi praktikami vojenskeho spravodajstva a zapiska na pistalku ze tá alebo ona aplikacia bola upravená a z toho dovodu podla GPL licencie musí byt zdrojový kód zverejnený. Nasledky asi netreba rozoberat, ci?

- sincerely yours Kocúr Mosúr -

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Tak, GPL tam pleties ty. Nikde som GPL nespominal. A bezpecnostne aplikacie ked maju uzavrety kod nie su aj tak bezpecnejsie.

Edit: Mne ide hlavne o to, aby nebolo mozne dodavat statu aplikacie s uzavretym kodom.

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no ved... ale problem je v tom ze open source sa nehodi pre mnohe z aplikacii v statnej sprave.

Nemusi to byt ministerstvo obrany, staci danovy urad. Open source ulahci kazdemu co chce hacknut ten system menej prace.

- sincerely yours Kocúr Mosúr -

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V realite je to naopak.

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Ze open source systemy su bezpecne? No moze byt, v tom sa moc nevyznam.

Ja nerobim vobec web ale s open source mi obcas spravi vrasky na cele... a to su PC a embedded aplikacie. Nezatracujem to, ale napriklad neexistujuci support, pomale opravovanie bugov a pod mi pride pre niektore kriticke clanky statnej sfery ako nevhodne.

- sincerely yours Kocúr Mosúr -

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Support pochopitelne existuje, a jeden by povedal ze na vyrazne lepsej urovni. Mozes si kupit napriklad linuxy od redhatu alebo suse. S pomalym opravovanim bugov (dokonca aj bezpecnostnych) je na tom proprietarny sw ktory mozes stretnut v statnej sprave vyrazne horsie. Pre taky Oracle nie je pol roka cas.

Co sa tyka vhodnosti, tak keby na spravnych miestach v statnej sprave sedeli kompetentni ludia, taky Microsoft nepreda pre systemy kritickej infrastruktury ani len podlozku pod mys.

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No ale ty hovoris o kupe... open source som pochopil ako sancu usetrit. Dalej je tam stale rizikovy faktor otvoreneho kodu, ktory nie vsetkym ale niektorym instituciam vadit bude.

- sincerely yours Kocúr Mosúr -

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Open source neznamena ze je software zadarmo. Kludne moze byt aj komercny.
Stale trvam na tom ze pri pouziti opensource sa usetri, aj ked si platis podporu.

Ide o to ze pri pouziti otvoreneho zdrojoveho kodu prakticky nemozes vynucovat vendoor lockin, ktory je jednym z hlavnym dovodov predrazovania (okrem obycajnej korupcie). Dodavatelska firma je nahraditelna inou firmou v pripade ze sa zacne chovat zle, alebo zvysovat ceny.

Dalsim dovodom usetrenia je recyklacia kodu v opensource rieseniach, a tym padom aj ista "standardizacia", alebo skor zazite postupy na robenie tych istych veci. Plus kopa projektov sa riesi na viacerych miestach v statnej sprave znova a znova, ked budu mat moznost ich kopirovat (a pripadne zlahka upravit), tak sa usetri.

Vojaci/silove zlozky si pomerne urcite vylobuju vynimky, to by som neriesil.

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tak potom som za ;)

- sincerely yours Kocúr Mosúr -

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Opensource nie je zadarmo.

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To, coho sa ty zastavas je security through obscurity. Nedobry pristup. Dava vyhodu black hats oproti white hats.

Edit: danova sprava zrovna bola vydierana dodavatelmi systemu a doplatila na to.

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Silny argument, ale aj tak si neviem predstavit open source napriklad na MO. Alebo priamo v ASR, lebo ta podlieha pravidlam o verejnych financiach tiez.

- sincerely yours Kocúr Mosúr -

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Chapem o co ti ide, ale nie som si uplne isty, ci "open source only" pristup je riesenie. Odrbat stat sa da aj na tom, ze dodas open source s brutalne predrazenym supportom a naviazanymi sluzbami v ramci neprehladneho komplexneho projektu a spravne nastaveneho obstaravania.

Podla mna treba tlacit na podporu strategie statu v tejto oblasti (skutocne fungujucu a otvorenu architektonicku kancelariu, ktora konzultuje s verejnostou a ma strategiu), identifikaciu realnych potrieb obyvatelov a zamestnancov statnej spravy (nie zauzivany postup typu "mame prachy z eurofondov, vymyslime ako ich minieme"), modularny pristup (na rozdiel od budovania obrovskych molochov) a hlavne ciste a spravodlive obstaravanie.

Pokial bude toto vsetko dodrzane, je podla mna relativne jedno, ci finalny system bude bezat na MySQL alebo Oracle 11g.

EDIT: Najvacsia ryza v zakazkach je na Slovensku stale na "zeleze", ktoremu je jedno, aku licenciu ma softver, ktory na nom bezi.

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