Re[3]: skor :) :: Remember, remember, the velvet November


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V mojom okruhu poznam ludi ktori kludne vykurja 30g,+/mesiac (a to uplne abstrahujem moznost ze medzi uzivatelmi mozu byt fanusikovia vaporizacie, kolacikov a extraktov ktore si mozes z tejto davky pripravit) a ani jeden symptom tebou popisany sa u nich neprejavil.
Takze?
Kto sa citi a moze nech sa prihlasi a prispeje k pochopeniu dosledkov dlhodobeho uzivania.

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Ja som fajcil 30g+/mesiac a bolo to peklo. Zavislost, brko obcas hned rano, v praci peklo, kratkodoba pamat uplne odpisana, hrozne spomaleny. A samozrejme ked je zle obdobie (co byvavalo) tak hulivo fakt zhorsuje depresie, plus paranoje a podobne. Nie ze by depresie boli z hulenia, ale nepomahalo to teda ani trochu. To uz ale su psychicke problemy, cize na tu studiu by som nebol vhodny kandidat.

Ked som prestal, postupne zacala pribudat inteligencia a zlepsovat sa pamat. Velka skoda ze to takto dopadlo, lebo zahulit si iba obcas by bolo fajn, ale obavam sa ze pokial sa do toho pekla nechcem vratit tak zo mna bude musiet byt do konca zivota abstinent. Este ze su papiere :)

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ja tiez poznam v mojom okruhu par takych ludi a viem, ze niektori maju problemy. imo trava dlhodobo denne neni v pohode, myslim ze to je ako s chlastom: dobry sluha, ale zly pan.

chvalabohu v tych par clankoch, co som k tomu pozrela sa vsade hovori, ze po withdrawal - ked sa prestane brat, tak do max mesiaca vsetko v cajku, receptory, pamet atak. akurat je problem, ze niektori nikdy neprestanu.

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As early as the late 19th century, the Indian Hemp Drugs
Commission reported that heavy cannabis use was associated with
apathy, defined as reduced motivation for goal-directed behavior.
However, it was only after the marked increase in cannabis use of
the1960s that the amotivational effects of chronic cannabis use were
linked to impairments in learning and sustained attention. The term
cannabis amotivational syndrome was proposed by McGlothlin and
West, who characterized it as apathy and diminished ability to concentrate,
follow routines, or successfully master new material. While
there has always been some controversy around the need for defining
such a distinct phenotype, there is evidence that long-term
heavy cannabis use is associated with educational underachievement and
impaired motivation, which have been proposed to be potential
mediators of poorer functional outcomes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26842658

Like most addictions, cannabis addiction is often comorbid
with other mental health problems. Epidemiological
evidence indicates a possible association between
regular cannabis use and the development of anxiety and depression
https://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v17/n5/full/nrn.2016.28.html

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netreba prestať úplne, stačí obmedziť

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presne toto, našťastie to nepoškodí človeka dlhodobo, keď prestane/obmedzí

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travicka, kvetinky...until it's not, pre niektorych. nie je to len o motivacii a pamati
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2169519/
It is also usually highly recurrent [depression], with at least 50% of those who recover from a first episode of depression having one or more additional episodes in their lifetime, and approximately 80% of those with a history of two episodes having another recurrence (American Psychiatric Association, 2000; Kupfer, Frank, & Wamhoff, 1996; Post, 1992)

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je to možné, psychedeliká nemusia byť sranda, keď je človek nepripravený

ja som zase zažil dvoch rôznych ludí, čo mali schizu a vždy keď sa zhulili, tak ich to preplo do inej osobnosti, halus dosť to bola teda :oD

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o asociacii psychedelik s psychickymi poruchami neviem, nezaujimal som sa o to zatial. tusim je tu par informovanych ideciek.

vyssie som pastol studiu, ktora hovori o asociacii travy s psychickymi poruchami.
je fajn, ze niekto sa po znizeni spotreby/vysadeni vrati naspat do stavu odkial prisiel, ale pre niekoho to zial pravda nemusi byt a pre niekoho sa stane porucha rekurentnou bez ohladu na to, ci prestal, alebo neprestal.

len tolko, ze anekdotalne dokazy nie su dokazy, a osobne dojmy z bezprostredneho okolia nemozno brat vazne v kontexte public health

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ja tiez poznam ludi :)
a sama som hulic, don't get me wrong
ale tiez poznam ludi co tam boli a prestali a su na tom lepsie.

Mam len pocit ze mas nebezpecne nekriticky postoj.

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Ja som iba nekriticky reagoval na tvoj generalizacny post.