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som akurat vcera pozeral film Children of Hiroshima (1952)
a som sa potom na wiki dozvedel, ze hiroshima a nagasaki boli sice atomove bomby, ale ze viac skody na zivotoch pocas druhej svetovej spravilo jedno bombardovanie mesta napalmom

"During November 1944 American B-29s began their first incendiary bomb raids on Tokyo, and on 9 March 1945, wave upon wave dropped masses of small incendiaries containing an early version of napalm on the city's population—for they directed this assault against civilians. Soon small fires spread, connected, grew into a vast firestorm that sucked the oxygen out of the lower atmosphere. The bomb raid was a 'success' for the Americans; they killed 125,000 Japanese in one attack. The Allies bombed Hamburg and Dresden in the same manner, and Nagoya, Osaka, Kobe, and Tokyo again on May 24. The basic moral decision that the Americans had to make during the war was whether or not they would violate international law by indiscriminately attacking and destroying civilians, and they resolved that dilemma within the context of conventional weapons. Neither fanfare nor hesitation accompanied their choice, and in fact the atomic bomb used against Hiroshima was less lethal than massive fire bombing. The war had so brutalized the American leaders that burning vast numbers of civilians no longer posed a real predicament by the spring of 1945. Given the anticipated power of the atomic bomb, which was far less than that of fire bombing, no one expected small quantities of it to end the war. Only its technique was novel—nothing more."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_over_the_atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#A_continuation_of_previous_behaviour




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polar
 polar      09.07.2014 - 00:14:47 , level: 1, UP   NEW
a este viac sa ludi zomrelo strelnymi zbranami, a este viac chorobami - to este neznamena, ze atomova bomba nie je tisice krat efektivnejsia nez napalmova, alebo ze to nie je najhrozostrasnejsia zbran ktora bola kedy pouzita

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psycho
 psycho      09.07.2014 - 00:24:01 , level: 2, UP   NEW
mna to zaujalo lebo som myslel, ze atomova bomba je to najhrozivejsie co moze byt, ze akoze radovo horsie
a potom som sa docital, ze rozdiel je len v tom, ze staci jedno lietadlo a jednu bombu, ale samotnu skodu na zivotoch ocividne vedeli dosiahnut za par hodin aj bez nej - "Only its technique was novel — nothing more"

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visby
 visby      08.07.2014 - 18:08:47 , level: 1, UP   NEW
ono to nie je az take jednoduche podla mna, hiroshima a nagasaki mali velky psychologicky efekt, kvoli tomu ze to boli len dve bomby, dve lietadla a nie niekolko desiatok(stoviek?) lietadiel.

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drakh
 drakh      08.07.2014 - 19:16:53 , level: 2, UP   NEW
no hej, ale treba si uvedomit aj to ze padali na mesta viacmenej postavene z papiera. a v takom meste este aj napalm napacha mrte skody

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visby
 visby      08.07.2014 - 19:47:34 , level: 3, UP   NEW
tu ide hlavne o to, ze to bola jedna bomba a nie 300 lietadiel...

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zjazdar
 zjazdar      09.07.2014 - 10:57:01 , level: 4, UP   NEW
kto vie ci to nestalo tolko isto penazi

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visby
 visby      09.07.2014 - 12:33:51 , level: 5, UP   NEW
o peniaze tu vobec nejde, ide o predstavu co by spravilo 300 lietadiel s takymi bombami. pri tychto zbraniach ide skor o strach ako realnu hrozbu pouzitia.

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zjazdar
 zjazdar      09.07.2014 - 23:35:12 , level: 6, UP   NEW
jaj uz chapem ako si to myslel :)
kazdopadne henta ruska megalomania skor znamenala "pozor nam tu fest jebe na hlavy" nez "pozor mame ich viac" :))

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visby
 visby      10.07.2014 - 09:08:56 , level: 7, UP   NEW
tzar bol afaik o pokuse, zistit co vobec spravi taka velka bomba. taktiez to bolo o porovnavani velkosti cikul, my mame vacsiu;-)

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zjazdar
 zjazdar      10.07.2014 - 09:23:03 , level: 8, UP   NEW
jo, stoporili falus v podobe atomoveho hribu
vyskum je ze aky bude velky
...a sme zase pri povodnej infografike :))))

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hordenn
 hordenn      09.07.2014 - 11:38:41 , level: 5, UP   NEW
mnohonasobne viac http://www.brookings.edu/about/projects/archive/nucweapons/manhattan

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roger
 roger      08.07.2014 - 18:06:29 (modif: 08.07.2014 - 22:25:43), level: 1, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
bombardovanie civilistov zacalo uz v 43om v nemecku (tie legendarne firestormy hamburg a drazdany).

vojensky je rozdiel v efektivite a priprave. na tokyo letelo skoro 300 lietadiel (10% straty).


e: kobercove nalety v europe bezne pozostavali z tisicky (!) lietadiel.

netreba podcenovat ani vplyv obrovskeho bluffu americanov - oni ziadne dalsie funkcne bomby nemali. a nemali ich ani niekolko rokov po vojne. japonci to zozrali ako turci kolac

Stalin mal ale dokonaly prehlad, vedel o bombach uz na Jalte, a poznal situaciu aj po vojne a preto nefungovalo zastrasovanie pri blokade Berlina.

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ZRudi
 ZRudi      08.07.2014 - 22:41:09 , level: 2, UP   NEW
Groves expected to have another atomic bomb ready for use on August 19, with three more in September and a further three in October.
On August 10, he sent a memorandum to Marshall in which he wrote that "the next bomb ... should be ready for delivery on the first suitable weather after 17 or 18 August." On the same day, Marshall endorsed the memo with the comment, "It is not to be released over Japan without express authority from the President."

There was already discussion in the War Department about conserving the bombs then in production for Operation Downfall. "The problem now [August 13] is whether or not, assuming the Japanese do not capitulate, to continue dropping them every time one is made and shipped out there or whether to hold them ... and then pour them all on in a reasonably short time. Not all in one day, but over a short period. And that also takes into consideration the target that we are after. In other words, should we not concentrate on targets that will be of the greatest assistance to an invasion rather than industry, morale, psychology, and the like? Nearer the tactical use rather than other use."

Two more Fat Man assemblies were readied. The third core was scheduled to leave Kirtland Field for Tinian on August 15, and Tibbets was ordered by LeMay to return to Utah to collect it. Robert Bacher was packaging it for shipment in Los Alamos on August 14 when he received word from Groves that the shipment was suspended.

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ZRudi
 ZRudi      08.07.2014 - 19:05:48 [2K] , level: 2, UP   NEW
ehm guernica, rotterdam, birmingham, london

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roger
 roger      08.07.2014 - 19:42:48 (modif: 08.07.2014 - 19:46:09), level: 3, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
mind the gap
a hlavne islo o to ked dobri bombardovali zlych