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tu si to mozes zilustrovat.
http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

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ta zavadzajuca "ilustracia" ilustruje akurat tak sprostost autora
5x viac megaton nespravi 5x vacsi hrib ani zdaleka. (10x viac megaton spravi cca 2x vacsi)
(+nehovoriac o tom, ze ma na grafe zle jednotky. "mt" su militony no myslel asi megatony - Mt

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nebude ten hribik len ilustracny (bez uvodzoviek)?;-)

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ja potom asi nechapem vyznam toho slova. je to graf alebo ilustracia? nemala by ilustracia suvisiet s obsahom?

nechapem tiez, preco nevyuzili potencial 2D grafu / pouzili len jednu os.

keby napr tie bomby umiestnili na takyto graf, tak to by to ilustrovalo o dost viac podstatnych aspektov, o dost pravdivejsie a hlavne by to nebolo zavadzajuce.

vs henta "ilustracia" obsahuje realne asi tolkoto informacie:
hiroshima 15kt
trinity 20kt
mike 10000kt
bravo 15000kt
tzar 50000kt
dost na nic a zaujme jedine tym, ze vytvory nespravny dojem, ze by tzar bomba spravila o tolko vacsi hrib.

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v zasade mas pravdu, ale nerobil by som z toho taku tragediu...

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Skúsil si si po sebe prečítať svoj príspevok a ešte raz sa pozrieť na ten obrázok ? Najprv som si myslel že si zle pochopil jednotky ale podla poslednej vety si ich zjavne pochopil správne.

Áno viem je to prekvapujúce ale 4x via Mt bude mať na grafe(obrázku) ktorí má mierku v Mt 4x väčší stĺpec(hríbik) tvoje tvrdenie bi bolo správne iba v prípade že by bola mierka v m alebo km.

A Tzar Bomba má 4x viac Mt ako akákoľvek pred ňou nie 5x.

Keby niekomu vadil môj pravopis http://kyberia.sk/id/7597285

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no graf sedi, ked berieme do uvahy osy grafu. no problem je, ze oni tam nedali rozne vysoke stlpiky, ale rozne nielen vysoke, ale aj siroke hribove oblaky, co na vacsinu ludi posobi dojmom, ze o tolko vacsi by ten hrib bol.
je to uplny non-sense to znazornovat hribmi, ked velkost hribu a mnozstvo megaton nie su priamo umerne. (skor log10, co je kurva velky rozdiel).
to tam mohli rovno penisy nakreslit. putinov k Tzar, obamov k Mike a Bravo

(je to proste kurva zavadzajuce. vacsina ludi to pochopi tak, ze Tzar bomba fakt spravila vybuch, z ktoreho hrib bol o tolko vacsi oproti ostatnym. ako na obrazku.)

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aj tak je ten graf nepouzitelny. megatona je abstraktna jednotka energie (J). a hentak nagrafovana je uplne nic nehovoriaca (log, eh?)

tsar je klasicka ruska megalomania. najrychlejsie hodinky a najvacsi trpaslik. nemala by ziadne prakticke vyuzitie. vazila 27 ton a len padak vazil 800 kilo. mohli by ju hodit tak ku nam...

a v podstate ta testovacia isla "na pol plynu" kvoli objemu falloutu, dizajnovany vykon bol 100Mt. - paradoxne nebol problem so samotnou bombou (v podstate to bola najviac eko konstrukcia mimo vodikovych), ale to, aby sa vybuch nedotkol zeme, co je hlavny zdroj falloutu ("ground strike" - maximalna destrukcia odolnych objektov - armadna vs "air burst" - maximalna zasiahnuta plocha - civili)

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"nemala by ziadne prakticke vyuzitie. vazila 27 ton a len padak vazil 800 kilo"...Kedze vsetky nuklearne strategicke zbrane maju prakticke vyuzitie len dovtedy, kym sa nepouziju a potom uz sa jedna o vyuzitie skor velmi velmi neprakticke, tak sa mozno tsar zas az tak moc neodlisuje, bez ohladu na jeho hmotnost :)

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mozno ratali s tym, ze im ju do USA prepasuje nejaky kolumbijsky trafikant lodou :))

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mas k tomu aj daky zdroj?
lebo podla wiki mala ta "bravo" bomba hribik vysky 46 km http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo
a tsar mal peak vysky hribiku 95 km, co je len dvojnasobok http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

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Ten obrazok je vazne zavadzajuci.

Ano, s ohladom na preklep v mt/Mt je obrazok mozno spravny ako graf, ale vizualna reprezentacia velkosti hribu je zavadzajuca. To mal na mysli...

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som akurat vcera pozeral film Children of Hiroshima (1952)
a som sa potom na wiki dozvedel, ze hiroshima a nagasaki boli sice atomove bomby, ale ze viac skody na zivotoch pocas druhej svetovej spravilo jedno bombardovanie mesta napalmom

"During November 1944 American B-29s began their first incendiary bomb raids on Tokyo, and on 9 March 1945, wave upon wave dropped masses of small incendiaries containing an early version of napalm on the city's population—for they directed this assault against civilians. Soon small fires spread, connected, grew into a vast firestorm that sucked the oxygen out of the lower atmosphere. The bomb raid was a 'success' for the Americans; they killed 125,000 Japanese in one attack. The Allies bombed Hamburg and Dresden in the same manner, and Nagoya, Osaka, Kobe, and Tokyo again on May 24. The basic moral decision that the Americans had to make during the war was whether or not they would violate international law by indiscriminately attacking and destroying civilians, and they resolved that dilemma within the context of conventional weapons. Neither fanfare nor hesitation accompanied their choice, and in fact the atomic bomb used against Hiroshima was less lethal than massive fire bombing. The war had so brutalized the American leaders that burning vast numbers of civilians no longer posed a real predicament by the spring of 1945. Given the anticipated power of the atomic bomb, which was far less than that of fire bombing, no one expected small quantities of it to end the war. Only its technique was novel—nothing more."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_over_the_atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#A_continuation_of_previous_behaviour

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a este viac sa ludi zomrelo strelnymi zbranami, a este viac chorobami - to este neznamena, ze atomova bomba nie je tisice krat efektivnejsia nez napalmova, alebo ze to nie je najhrozostrasnejsia zbran ktora bola kedy pouzita

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mna to zaujalo lebo som myslel, ze atomova bomba je to najhrozivejsie co moze byt, ze akoze radovo horsie
a potom som sa docital, ze rozdiel je len v tom, ze staci jedno lietadlo a jednu bombu, ale samotnu skodu na zivotoch ocividne vedeli dosiahnut za par hodin aj bez nej - "Only its technique was novel — nothing more"

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ono to nie je az take jednoduche podla mna, hiroshima a nagasaki mali velky psychologicky efekt, kvoli tomu ze to boli len dve bomby, dve lietadla a nie niekolko desiatok(stoviek?) lietadiel.

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no hej, ale treba si uvedomit aj to ze padali na mesta viacmenej postavene z papiera. a v takom meste este aj napalm napacha mrte skody

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tu ide hlavne o to, ze to bola jedna bomba a nie 300 lietadiel...

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kto vie ci to nestalo tolko isto penazi

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o peniaze tu vobec nejde, ide o predstavu co by spravilo 300 lietadiel s takymi bombami. pri tychto zbraniach ide skor o strach ako realnu hrozbu pouzitia.

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jaj uz chapem ako si to myslel :)
kazdopadne henta ruska megalomania skor znamenala "pozor nam tu fest jebe na hlavy" nez "pozor mame ich viac" :))

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tzar bol afaik o pokuse, zistit co vobec spravi taka velka bomba. taktiez to bolo o porovnavani velkosti cikul, my mame vacsiu;-)

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jo, stoporili falus v podobe atomoveho hribu
vyskum je ze aky bude velky
...a sme zase pri povodnej infografike :))))

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mnohonasobne viac http://www.brookings.edu/about/projects/archive/nucweapons/manhattan

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bombardovanie civilistov zacalo uz v 43om v nemecku (tie legendarne firestormy hamburg a drazdany).

vojensky je rozdiel v efektivite a priprave. na tokyo letelo skoro 300 lietadiel (10% straty).

e: kobercove nalety v europe bezne pozostavali z tisicky (!) lietadiel.

netreba podcenovat ani vplyv obrovskeho bluffu americanov - oni ziadne dalsie funkcne bomby nemali. a nemali ich ani niekolko rokov po vojne. japonci to zozrali ako turci kolac

Stalin mal ale dokonaly prehlad, vedel o bombach uz na Jalte, a poznal situaciu aj po vojne a preto nefungovalo zastrasovanie pri blokade Berlina.

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Groves expected to have another atomic bomb ready for use on August 19, with three more in September and a further three in October.
On August 10, he sent a memorandum to Marshall in which he wrote that "the next bomb ... should be ready for delivery on the first suitable weather after 17 or 18 August." On the same day, Marshall endorsed the memo with the comment, "It is not to be released over Japan without express authority from the President."

There was already discussion in the War Department about conserving the bombs then in production for Operation Downfall. "The problem now [August 13] is whether or not, assuming the Japanese do not capitulate, to continue dropping them every time one is made and shipped out there or whether to hold them ... and then pour them all on in a reasonably short time. Not all in one day, but over a short period. And that also takes into consideration the target that we are after. In other words, should we not concentrate on targets that will be of the greatest assistance to an invasion rather than industry, morale, psychology, and the like? Nearer the tactical use rather than other use."

Two more Fat Man assemblies were readied. The third core was scheduled to leave Kirtland Field for Tinian on August 15, and Tibbets was ordered by LeMay to return to Utah to collect it. Robert Bacher was packaging it for shipment in Los Alamos on August 14 when he received word from Groves that the shipment was suspended.

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ehm guernica, rotterdam, birmingham, london

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mind the gap
a hlavne islo o to ked dobri bombardovali zlych