Re[6]: podme vsetci deficitovat :: Something smarter than us is going to emerge


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Nejde o rap video - ale o znamy problem medzi hayekovskym a keynesovskym pristupom.

A ty si zas necital Keynesa - ano, hovoril, ze aj plytvanie ma svoj efekt a navyse ale dost jasne vysvetlil, ze ak efektivne investicie statu nie su mozne, alebo politicky presaditelne, tak je treba pristupit k tym neefektivnym. Jeho priklad so zakopanim zlata tazko moze niekoho nechat na pochybach. Navyse uz som dvakrat napisal ze s tymto postupom suhlasim a mal plny zmysel v situacii USA v 30tych a 40tych rokoch.

Rozplyvas sa tu nad tym, ze som nespravne napisal jeho meno, a pritom vobec nevies co hovori.

navyse sa ti znovu zasekol caps lock - rob so sebou nieco

Dam ti jednu hadanku - preco Raeganovo rozhadzovanie v 80tych rokoch nemalo ziadny vyrazny pozitivny efekt?

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Pastol si ho, cim si u mna trochu klesol :)

Priklad nehovori o zlate ale o bankovkach a svojou interpretaciou zavadzas. Keynes tvrdil, ze zakopavanie (zovseobecnime na neefektivne investicie) je lepsie ako nic, ale nebolo by to rozumnym riesenim. Vytrhnutim extremneho prikladu z kontextu si u mna znova klesol :)

Nie je to len o tvojom 7x opakovanom preklepe, ale mas asi celkovo problem s menami. Reagan...

Sam si si odpovedal slovickom "rozhadzovanie".

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pockaj ak zakopem peniaze tak v podstate sporim lebo som odlozil spotrebu do buducnosti a ty to zovseobecnis na neefektivne investicie?

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Ako je to vytrhnute z kontextu? Povedal som ze podla Keynesa ak sa nedaju robit efektivne projekty, ma stat robit neefektivne projekty. Cuduj sa svete, presne to Keynes pise:

If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coalmines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again (the right to do so being obtained, of course, by tendering for leases of the note-bearing territory), there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of the repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth also, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is. It would, indeed, be more sensible to build houses and the like; but if there are political and practical difficulties in the way of this, the above would be better than nothing.

Dokazujes len ze nevies o com hovoris a ze nema zmysel sa dalej s tebou bavit.

Ak som nahodou este dostatocne neklesol v tvojich ociach, tak na zaver pridavam:

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I love the money fires! : ) popici video!

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would be better than nothing - malo by to vacsi efekt ako napchanie penazi do ponoziek. Nehovori: do it!

Ale ono netreba citat len jeden tolko nelogicky zneuzivany odsek :)

If — for whatever reason — the rate of interest cannot fall as fast as the marginal efficiency of capital would fall with a rate of accumulation corresponding to what the community would choose to save at a rate of interest equal to the marginal efficiency of capital in conditions of full employment, then even a diversion of the desire to hold wealth towards assets, which will in fact yield no economic fruits whatever, will increase economic well-being. In so far as millionaires find their satisfaction in building mighty mansions to contain their bodies when alive and pyramids to shelter them after death, or, repenting of their sins, erect cathedrals and endow monasteries or foreign missions, the day when abundance of capital will interfere with abundance of output may be postponed. “To dig holes in the ground,” paid for out of savings, will increase, not only employment, but the real national dividend of useful goods and services. It is not reasonable, however, that a sensible community should be content to remain dependent on such fortuitous and often wasteful mitigations when once we understand the influences upon which effective demand depends.

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dobre video>))