Re[10]: 18.06.2007-20:28:43 :: Remember, remember, the velvet November


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nespravne pochopenie konceptu karmy a viera v neho vedu k pasivite...s tym suhlasim,ano

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a ako ju teda treba chapat prosim?

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tu je to co som mala na mysli,
ale zdoraznujem NETREBA karmu chapat,
tvoja volba

http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/karma.html#1

to je moje chapanie +-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
tu je toho trosku viac

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hlavne je NETREBA nijako chapat

je tvoja volba ci chces pochopit co v ktorom koncepte karma znamena
alebo sa chces dohadovat o generalizmoch a zjednodusovat nezjednodusitelne

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ze ked vytvaram nejake priciny, tak zakonite pridu aj nasledky...

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karma, kauzalita atd. omfg! ... no neda mi.. dva mesiace sice stara diskusia, ale ja som sem nechodil, tak mozno sa po dlhom case predsalen dockam odpovede.. ake priciny teda kajco podla teba dal tej havarii? ze si postavil stan na nejakom travniku??

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vidis to prvoplanovo...pricina mohla vzniknut niekde v minulosti...

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napriklad v jeho minulom zivote. alebo v minulom zivote jeho babky. podla mna je v tom nejak namoceny aj adam a eva!

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vediete tu dlhu diskusiu o nicom, priatelia. proste veci sa deju a my sa ich iba snazime dako zaradit a mat nad tym vsetkym kontrolu-veci sa aj tak deju stale po svojom a tazko teraz pochopim, co bolo pricinou, ked si to ani nemozem pametat. Ale mozem sa poucit. Vskutocnosti sme len take deticky hrajuce sa na piesku, no nemame vo svojom zivote ziaden prehlad. take a rest. nema to vyznam...

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?

kazdemu da nieco ine nieco ine
kazdy si pamata nieco ine
a kazdemu vyvohuje nieco ine...kludne kontroluj

my sme si dodiskutovali v poste
radsej

diskutujte teda `o niecom`
voila

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to je pekny vyklad, aj ked imho velmi zjednoduseny....

conf:
ps.ale ano, ani mne sa nechce to nejako viac rozpisovat

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A ake priciny vytvaral Kajco, ze nasledky boli ake boli? Myslim, ze tomu nerozumies..

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jak mozes ty take neco posudzovat?

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Lebo karma podla mna neznamena pri autonehode stat a myknut plecom, ze ved karma.

Aby som len tak netlachal: "The emphasis of karma in Buddhism is on mindful action, not on blaming someone for whatever happens to them.", tiez: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_in_Buddhism#Wrong_Understandings_of_Karma , kde sa pise, ze je nespravne Karmu chapat ako "Pubbekatahetuvada: The belief that all happiness and suffering arise from previous karma (Past-action determinism)."

Preto si myslim, ze 'nedalo sa tomu vyhnut', je nespravne pocopenie karmy. Budhisticky mnich by ti pomohol vstat, neskumal by dovody tvojho padu.

Este ma napadlo ze mozno mala na mysli nejaku inu vieru v Karmu, v tom pripade, je ale ta 'Karma' deterministicka a vedie k fatalizmu a pasivite.

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ok, imho to znamena
po akejkolvek nehode
stat (ak sa teda da)
uff, karma (no jasne)
ja blbec
musim na to inak
skusim troche vedomejsie konat...

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ale ja mam z tvojich reakcii pocit, ze si odporujes.....

ak teda pouzivame wikipediu
kukni sem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
(to ze buddhisti su viac fajn, neznamena, ze ich karma je ta prava ;)))

na jednej strane totok tutok
a na druhej strane sa pytas co kajco spravil, ze sa mu to stalo?ano je to cast karmy, cokolvek
dolezita cast ale je, ze ty rozhodujes o svojej karme

toto cele je o karme v budhistickom kontexte,
takisto ako to co si ty vyssie vytrhol z kontextu
(imho nemozem vytrhnut cast o nespravnom pochopeni karmy - musis vysvetlit aj to spravne)
btw.

THE FOUR LAWS OF KARMA
1. Results are similar to the cause. Simply said, when I cause other people harm, I will harvest suffering myself. It is important to note here, that "positive" actions are defined as actions that have happiness as a result; "negative" actions are defined as actions that lead to suffering as a result.
2. No results without a cause. As is obvious within science, things do not just appear out of nothing.
3. Once an action is done, the result is never lost. Similarly as above, things do not just disappear into nothing.
4. Karma expands. Once we have an imprint of an action in our mind, it tends to be habit-forming. As is often said in wars for example, killing the first enemy is tough, but after a handful, one quickly loses count and it becomes "normal". Also psychology often stresses a similar point when e.g. explaining actions of adults from their childhood experiences.

WHAT IS NEEDED FOR KARMA TO RIPEN?

1. A previous action, or karmic potential.
2. Conditions: the circumstances must be available before I can undergo a specific result.
3. A deluded mind. Without delusions in our mind, we will never experience the results of previous actions. This happens to Arhats and Buddhas; their minds have been purified from delusions, and they are beyond the realm of karma.

http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/karma.html#1
velmi pekne tutok