Re[7]: 18.06.2007-20:28:43 :: Remember, remember, the velvet November


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sakra nevedela som ze je to s nim az natolko vazne, to je skoda, prajem mu nech sa coskoro vyzdravie a aby to mal uz stastne za sebou. beriem to ako karmu, nedalo sa tomu vyhnut, ale nestastie sme sa z toho vsetci svojim sposobom poucili. drzim palce v uspesnom lieceni...

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jeho mamina by ti dala za taketo reci-blbe asi facku, aj to by bol karma?
no ofens

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preco su to blbe reci? napisala som to ako som to aj citila a ak to niekoho vytaca, jeho problem. A ak mi da zato facku, tak s tym nic nenarobim, ja si za tymto svojim nazorom stojim.
ak ti vadi slovicko karma, mozem pouzit slovo kauzalita...alebo "zakon priciny a nasledku", alebo osud?

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sorry ale uz mi tieto reci lezu trosku na nervy, ked niekto zabija zvierata a hovori pri to o nejakej karme, ci dokonca toto uz ma fakt nasralo ked o postihnutzch detoch si niekto mysli ze si za to mozu sami ze je to karma.. to ze sa niekto narodi postihnuty podla mna nie je karma ani osud ale nestastna nahoda a ked budeme pristupovat k tymto ludom tak ze si mozu za to sami tak to je uz fakt na picu..

sorry ze som povedal blbe reci to som prehnal, ked to tak citis nebudem to urazat ale fakt vyjadrujem nesuhlas..

vela veci mozeme ovplyvnit ale s vela vecmi neurobime nic, je mi luto ked niekoho postihne nestastie a nemyslim si ze vzdy za to mohol ten clovek.. ked niekto doboje cernocha za to ze je inej farbz pleti tak to je podla vas karma?

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konvalinka je pragmatik a ty sa na to pozeras z vacsej vysky.

a hlavne o tam nebol, kurva kovi ved to nebola sranda...

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Myslím že už je na tom lepšie. Vnútorné krvácanie už nemá, môže piť, jesť, zajtra snáď aj sedieť.

A ani ja nemám rád reči o karme. Lebo podla Karmy, by Kajco musel byť v minulom (tomto, či budúcom) živote zlý človek, a to neverím.

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a hlavne je to cele picovina... viera v karmu vedie k uplnej pasivite imho

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toto co pises znaci, ze vtom skutocne nemas velmi jasno. Ano ak je niekto pasivny, tak si uletel, ale karma nehovori o tom, ze nemame nic robit, prave naopak, je to o tom ucit sa zit lepsie, bdelo...

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nespravne pochopenie konceptu karmy a viera v neho vedu k pasivite...s tym suhlasim,ano

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a ako ju teda treba chapat prosim?

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tu je to co som mala na mysli,
ale zdoraznujem NETREBA karmu chapat,
tvoja volba

http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/karma.html#1

to je moje chapanie +-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
tu je toho trosku viac

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hlavne je NETREBA nijako chapat

je tvoja volba ci chces pochopit co v ktorom koncepte karma znamena
alebo sa chces dohadovat o generalizmoch a zjednodusovat nezjednodusitelne

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ze ked vytvaram nejake priciny, tak zakonite pridu aj nasledky...

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karma, kauzalita atd. omfg! ... no neda mi.. dva mesiace sice stara diskusia, ale ja som sem nechodil, tak mozno sa po dlhom case predsalen dockam odpovede.. ake priciny teda kajco podla teba dal tej havarii? ze si postavil stan na nejakom travniku??

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vidis to prvoplanovo...pricina mohla vzniknut niekde v minulosti...

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napriklad v jeho minulom zivote. alebo v minulom zivote jeho babky. podla mna je v tom nejak namoceny aj adam a eva!

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vediete tu dlhu diskusiu o nicom, priatelia. proste veci sa deju a my sa ich iba snazime dako zaradit a mat nad tym vsetkym kontrolu-veci sa aj tak deju stale po svojom a tazko teraz pochopim, co bolo pricinou, ked si to ani nemozem pametat. Ale mozem sa poucit. Vskutocnosti sme len take deticky hrajuce sa na piesku, no nemame vo svojom zivote ziaden prehlad. take a rest. nema to vyznam...

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?

kazdemu da nieco ine nieco ine
kazdy si pamata nieco ine
a kazdemu vyvohuje nieco ine...kludne kontroluj

my sme si dodiskutovali v poste
radsej

diskutujte teda `o niecom`
voila

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to je pekny vyklad, aj ked imho velmi zjednoduseny....

conf:
ps.ale ano, ani mne sa nechce to nejako viac rozpisovat

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A ake priciny vytvaral Kajco, ze nasledky boli ake boli? Myslim, ze tomu nerozumies..

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jak mozes ty take neco posudzovat?

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Lebo karma podla mna neznamena pri autonehode stat a myknut plecom, ze ved karma.

Aby som len tak netlachal: "The emphasis of karma in Buddhism is on mindful action, not on blaming someone for whatever happens to them.", tiez: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_in_Buddhism#Wrong_Understandings_of_Karma , kde sa pise, ze je nespravne Karmu chapat ako "Pubbekatahetuvada: The belief that all happiness and suffering arise from previous karma (Past-action determinism)."

Preto si myslim, ze 'nedalo sa tomu vyhnut', je nespravne pocopenie karmy. Budhisticky mnich by ti pomohol vstat, neskumal by dovody tvojho padu.

Este ma napadlo ze mozno mala na mysli nejaku inu vieru v Karmu, v tom pripade, je ale ta 'Karma' deterministicka a vedie k fatalizmu a pasivite.

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ok, imho to znamena
po akejkolvek nehode
stat (ak sa teda da)
uff, karma (no jasne)
ja blbec
musim na to inak
skusim troche vedomejsie konat...

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ale ja mam z tvojich reakcii pocit, ze si odporujes.....

ak teda pouzivame wikipediu
kukni sem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
(to ze buddhisti su viac fajn, neznamena, ze ich karma je ta prava ;)))

na jednej strane totok tutok
a na druhej strane sa pytas co kajco spravil, ze sa mu to stalo?ano je to cast karmy, cokolvek
dolezita cast ale je, ze ty rozhodujes o svojej karme

toto cele je o karme v budhistickom kontexte,
takisto ako to co si ty vyssie vytrhol z kontextu
(imho nemozem vytrhnut cast o nespravnom pochopeni karmy - musis vysvetlit aj to spravne)
btw.

THE FOUR LAWS OF KARMA
1. Results are similar to the cause. Simply said, when I cause other people harm, I will harvest suffering myself. It is important to note here, that "positive" actions are defined as actions that have happiness as a result; "negative" actions are defined as actions that lead to suffering as a result.
2. No results without a cause. As is obvious within science, things do not just appear out of nothing.
3. Once an action is done, the result is never lost. Similarly as above, things do not just disappear into nothing.
4. Karma expands. Once we have an imprint of an action in our mind, it tends to be habit-forming. As is often said in wars for example, killing the first enemy is tough, but after a handful, one quickly loses count and it becomes "normal". Also psychology often stresses a similar point when e.g. explaining actions of adults from their childhood experiences.

WHAT IS NEEDED FOR KARMA TO RIPEN?

1. A previous action, or karmic potential.
2. Conditions: the circumstances must be available before I can undergo a specific result.
3. A deluded mind. Without delusions in our mind, we will never experience the results of previous actions. This happens to Arhats and Buddhas; their minds have been purified from delusions, and they are beyond the realm of karma.

http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/karma.html#1
velmi pekne tutok

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nenavidim reci o karme, prestan