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Klub pre tie NAJVACSIE VECI na zemeguli

fotky, videa, linky vsetkych moznych velkych, obrovskych, gigantickych veci, zeriavy, stavby, zivocichy, technika, jednoducho vsetko, co ma MAKSIMALNE rozmery ;)

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Minuly tyzden som mal som pracovne navstivil Stegra v Boden na severe Svedska.
Za mna uplna sialenost. Ze sa do toho pustili, ze to vymysleli, ze na tom robia, co robia a ako. A ze na to zohnali peniaze. Maka tam na stavbe teraz 3000 ludi dennodenne. Ludia ktori tam prisli z celeho sveta, casto zo svojimi rodinami, aby rozbehli tento kolos.

Par poznamok co som si napisal:
±6.5B EUR
4 400km of power cables in the ground
750 000 tons of concrete
14 TWh of yearly power consumption
740 MW of hydrogen production - largest in the world
7% of all Sweden's power consumption
First EU steel mill project in 50 years

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Neskutocny engineering v tom je. Co vsetko tam je spravene a ako. Neviem co som cakal ale fakt ma nenapadlo ako komplexne to je cele vymyslene.

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ooooooooh!

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najviac ma odjebaly tie pieskovace:D

uz dlho som si chcel dohladat ako to cele funguje len som bol lenivy.

cize dikicko:)

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To, ale tiez to rozfukovanie uhlia tryskami. Dpc.. neskutocne.

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hej hej:)

to je tiez brutal, len som sa tam este nedostal v case pisania postu:D

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mala bych spat ale nie

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11533351/New-satellite-images-progress-Saudi-Arabias-75-mile-long-mega-city-Line.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

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ehm, zmozem sa asi iba na WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK???

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Je to z pohľadu zásahu do prostredia úplne zle, alebo sa to zdá len mne?

hlúposti mažem

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tak v tej pusti ti to moze byt jedno. ja len neviem ako to chcu energeticky utiahnut, pitna voda a dalsie detaily, ako napriklad kde zozenu ten milion ludi, co tam bude byvat?

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podla mna tam bude smrad

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Ani nie

"What the prince doesn’t say is that there are already thousands of people living in harmony with nature in the same area: a tribal community that has been there for centuries and is now being replaced by the project. One of these tribesmen made videos protesting the evictions — videos of a different sort, you might imagine, than the one M.B.S. has produced. He was shot dead last year in a confrontation with Saudi security forces.

Anyone who has spent time in Saudi Arabia’s existing cities can sympathize with the desire to start anew. They are dusty and ugly. Narrow-minded clerics preside over corrupt bureaucracies that are resistant to change. But the Saudi landscape is already dotted with failed or abandoned megaprojects. Some Saudis have responded to M.B.S.’s film with acid comments about the need to renovate the country’s existing towns and neighborhoods before throwing billions into another Xanadu. Jamal Khashoggi suggested as much in a column written with a co-author a few months before he was murdered.

After M.B.S. finishes his presentation, a warm female voice describes life in the Line. The urban dystopia recedes, and happier images parade before us: misty mountaintops, waves lapping a pristine coast.

The film’s final words, spoken as a multicultural parade of faces flickers across the screen, are deliciously preposterous: “A home to all of us — welcome to the Line.” As I heard it, I couldn’t help wondering about the woman who spoke those words. Would she even consider moving to a remote desert city, to be subject to 24/7 surveillance and the whims of a murderous prince? My guess is that she did what so many others who work for the Saudis have done: spoke her lines, picked up the check and fled."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/magazine/saudi-arabia-neom-the-line.html

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je to totalna picovina on all possible levels

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Istá časť mňa to vníma tiež tak. Len som to diplomatickejšie vyjadril. :)

hlúposti mažem

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Ista cast? Nejaka cast tam vidi nieco pozitivne?

Tam vobec neni co riesit, je to arogancia a megalomania najhorsieho kalibru, totalna dystopia co sa tyka teoretickych buducich obyvatelov a uplny nonsens v kazdom ohlade (technicky, enviromentalne, financne...)

Jedine pozitivum na tom vidim, ze je to dobry namet na cyberpunkovu novelu

Tuto je tiez dobry appel pre architektov:

"There is no other way to say this: if you accept money to work on any aspect of the Neom project, you need to know that you are complicit in these acts of violence and cultural erasure.

So, yes: there is no question whatsoever that resolving the design and engineering challenges posed by dropping a hundred-mile linear city in the middle of uninhabitable desert makes Neom a "technically sweet" project. If, that is, the abovementioned fundamental thermodynamic constraints are even amenable to resolution, which is highly doubtful on our rapidly and catastrophically heating planet.

But that really oughtn't be your central consideration. What should weigh most significantly in your calculus is whether the satisfaction of working on this project, and the compensation that attends that work, will ever compensate for your participation in an ecological and moral atrocity."

"Now I am become Death, destroyer of worlds." Neom is not, it is true, atomic obliteration, or anything remotely like it. But it has already brought death, and in carving a line through a living, breathing community, all of those complicit in its design and construction are already destroyers of worlds.
https://www.dezeen.com/2022/11/02/neom-the-line-saudi-arabia-architects-opinion/

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Je to fascinujúce, tieto megalomanské projekty. Zároveň myslienka nezávislosti. Ale to je tak par percent a aj pocitovo ma to irituje.

Vďaka za obšírnejšie informácie.

hlúposti mažem

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tak to ma byt - stroje vyrabaju stroje a ludia len kontroluju

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tie nove skodovice inac aj mrte pekne vypadaju

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a prave preto tesla nikdy v najblizsom desatroci nedobehne tu kapacitu vyroby. teraz to montuju stale rucne, niet divu, ze je to najkazivejsie auto v sucasnosti (v priemere 1x mesacne treba ist na fix)

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To mas odkial taketo info preboha?
Traja moji kolegovia maju Tesly (X 90D, S 85D, S 70D) a nikto nijak vyrazne neriesi servis. Akurat teraz riesili vymenu zimnych gum.

Toto si predpokladam nevidel:

Tesla ma co dobiehat, ale vo vela veciach uz robia lepsiu automatizaciu ako niektore ine automobilky (porovnaj si ako montuje Skoda vs. Tesla predne a zadne okno). Tesla stale robi vela optimalizacii a ucia sa ako robit auta. Predpokladam ze v nejakej dohladnej dobe postavia nejaku novu ultratovaren a zacnu nasobne zvysovat kapacity - ale myslim si ze este stale riesia to ako to spravit co najlepsie.

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tesla hlavne stale nema masovu seriovu vyrobu, cize tazko to porovnavat. normalne autombilky riesia na linke problemy v radovo desiatkach ppm (problems per milion), tesla zevraj utoci pri niektorych modeloch na stvorciferne cisla.
s nabehom pri model3 maju extremne problemy s kvalitou vo vyrobe (rovnako ako pri modeloch S, X) a auta sa dokoncuju u dilerov. a to aj napriek tomu, ze EV je neporovnatelne trivialnejsi system ako spalovacie auta.
seriova vyroba vo velkych objemoch komplexna zalezitost, nezalezi vsetko len od samotneho vyrobcu ale aj od jeho dodavatelov a celeho retazca. s tymto afaik teraz bojuje vyroba modelu3 najviac.

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Ved jasne, ale toto nieje neriesitelny problem a ja mam minimalne pocit ze oni na tom aktivne makaju. Jasne ze to chce este vela trpezlivosti. Ale neda sa ocakavat ze by pri takomto obrovskom skalovani tie problemy nemali.

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ono to momentalne vyzera tak, ze tie problemy podcenili. afaik im zase dochadza cash a bola by skoda, keby kvoli takemuto niecomu lahli...

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njn, hovoril som konkretne o modeli X:
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/consumer-reports-survey-marks-tesla-model-x-as-least-reliable/

mam ale aj pocit, ze aj suciastky a veci, co inym automobilkam funguju roky a maju optimalizovanu cenu, tak u tesly to este potrva (napriklad blinker, sprosta klucka od dveri, hoc aj nejaky blby srob niekde na karoserii), alebo si to bude musiet odkupit od niekoho.

inak treba brat v uvahu, aj ako sa o tie auta majitelia staraju - nevies aky maju rocny najazd? ze ci je to rovnako ako u bezneho auta u nich. taktiez, ak niekto kupi teslu, asi ju nebude parkovat v bratislave na chodniku, ale v garazi, cim tomu autu neuveritelne pomaha oproti beznej rozbijacke.

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Netusim. Ale v podstate 8 z 10 jazdy casu ked idem na letisko chodim Teslami (mam v taxi appke kliknute ze preferujem elektro auto). Jazdia na tom 60k za rok. Vsetci taxikari to chvalia. Ze proste nemusia riesit servis. Ze tie auta funguju. Ak ak nieco treba tak sa objednaju a ze nikto po nicom nepatra, proste hned vedia co a ako.

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close to fully automated

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s komentarom

Vela, vela roboty kym to zaplataju. Pri zaberoch na ludi a stroje si clovek uvedomi velkost stavby. Od 1:40 sa hemzia zlte mravence:)

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