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- Nentwig had assumed that Kentler’s experiment ended in the nineteen-seventies. But Marco told her he had lived in his foster home until 2003, when he was twenty-one. “I was totally shocked,” she said. She remembers Marco saying several times, “You are the first person I’ve told—this is the first time I’ve told my story.” As a child, he’d taken it for granted that the way he was treated was normal. “Such things happen,” he told himself. “The world is like this: it’s eat and be eaten.” But now, he said, “I realized the state has been watching.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles




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milton
 milton      16.06.2025 - 15:08:09 , level: 1, UP   NEW
"Henkel told the boys that he wanted to drill holes in two microwave ovens and then aim the radioactive waves toward each other, at just the right angle, to give the neighbors a heart attack."

Riešenie susedských sporov

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ea
 ea      16.06.2025 - 14:45:21 , level: 1, UP   NEW
"The first thing he noticed was the man’s lips. They were thin, almost nonexistent, a trait that Marco had always found repellent." -- a fucking YES

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akira
 akira      15.06.2025 - 19:38:41 (modif: 15.06.2025 - 19:43:09), level: 1, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
Ono v povojnovom Nemecku boli vztahy zamiesane. Otec padol, mama si nasla noveho manzela, pubertak bol pubertak, novemu otcovi nevyhovoval, spolocenske normy to oznacili za kriminalne flakanie sa. Ako sa robila kvalitna prevychova z cirkevnej stranky v NDR (a to bola protestantska cirkev) za pozretie stoji fim Freistatt.

A podobne hororne ustavy mali aj v NDR. https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/sachsen-anhalt/halle/halle/ddr-jugendhaus-halle-gewalt-im-knast-kultur-news-100.html

Alebo podcast "Verbrechen von Nebenann" kde sa obcas "dieta" so zazitkami a ustavnou starostlivostou z vojnoveho alebo povojnoveho obdobia stane horornym pedofilom, alebo skrticom, alebo inou milou osobnostou.

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milton
 milton      15.06.2025 - 18:48:37 , level: 1, UP   NEW
Je tam napísané že dokumenty k tomu experimentu boli stratené alebo zničené.

Vedel by mi niekto povedať čo malo byť zmyslom toho experimentu?

Akože z toho čo som prečítal si domýšlam hovadiny, tak by ma zaujímalo čo si o tom myslia ostatní.

PS: svetielko skvelý článok len ma zaujíma ako si na to narazila.

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svetielko
 svetielko      16.06.2025 - 19:43:54 , level: 2, UP   NEW
Na facebooku, asi v niektorej z desiatok feministických skupín a autoriek, ktoré sledujem.

Ako som to ja pochopila, cieľom malo byť to, že siroty, ktoré nezažijú rodinnú lásku, môžu nájsť homosexuálnu lásku u fosterparenta a je im to benefitom do života. To bol ale súkromný cieľ toho vedca, podľa mňa nie ten cieľ, čo bol prezentovaný štátu. Štát asi netušil, že tí foster parents sú pedofily.

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Rhoda
 Rhoda      16.06.2025 - 20:45:28 , level: 3, UP   NEW
Ja som to pochopila tak, ze to nebol sukromny ciel, ale normalne tak to bolo odsuhlasene:

Kentler befriended a thirteen-year-old named Ulrich, whom he described as “one of the most sought-after prostitutes in the station scene.” When Kentler asked Ulrich where he wanted to stay at night, Ulrich told him about a man he called Mother Winter, who fed boys from the Zoo Station and did their laundry. In exchange, they slept with him. “I said to myself: if the prostitutes call this man ‘mother,’ he can’t be bad,” Kentler wrote. Later, he noted that “Ulrich’s advantage was that he was handsome and that he enjoyed sex; so he could give something back to pedophile men who looked after him.”
Kentler formalized Ulrich’s arrangement. “I managed to get the Senate officer responsible to approve it,” he wrote in “Borrowed Fathers, Children Need Fathers.”

For much of his career, Kentler spoke of pedophiles as benefactors. They offered neglected children “a possibility of therapy,” he told Der Spiegel, in 1980. When the Berlin Senate commissioned him to prepare an expert report on the subject of “Homosexuals as caregivers and educators,” in 1988, he explained that there was no need to worry that children would be harmed by sexual contact with caretakers, as long as the interaction was not “forced.”

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svetielko
 svetielko      17.06.2025 - 10:43:41 , level: 4, UP   NEW
Áno, mňa na tom článku veľmi veľmi disturbovalo, že tam nebolo explicitne povedané, čo to teda ten štát schválil a ako robil monitoring, aké boli výstupy, atď.
Síce dokumenty boli stratené, ale niekto by to mohol fyzicky vedieť. Lenže to by vyžadovalo obrovskú prácu to zistiť. Ale čakala by som, že keď to nezistili, tak to tam bude nie náznakmi, ale proste naplno povedané:

"Schválili zámerné umiestňovanie detí k pedofilom s plným vedomím, že to robia?"

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akira
 akira      16.06.2025 - 20:03:33 , level: 3, UP   NEW
Vezmi to z opacnej strany. Keby to bolo nejake tehotne dievca z Bahnhof ZOO, ktore by si chcel zobrat do opatery, alebo za zenu uctyhodny pan profesor tak by sa tomu pomaly aj tlieskalo. Okolo "padlych zien" a dievcat sa uchylosadistov motalo vela.

Tu zas asi bola mantra "otcovsky vzor".

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Rhoda
 Rhoda      15.06.2025 - 21:01:56 [1K] , level: 2, UP   NEW
Oficialne? Dokazat, ze vztah chlapcov s pedofilom bude pre vsetkych win.

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milton
 milton      15.06.2025 - 18:19:31 , level: 1, UP   NEW
DAFUQ DID I JUST READ

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Dafko
 Dafko      14.06.2025 - 19:36:34 [1K] , level: 1, UP   NEW
https://archive.is/1vy6A

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Mr. Darcy
 Mr. Darcy      15.06.2025 - 07:50:32 (modif: 15.06.2025 - 07:51:57), level: 2, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!

argued that the free flow of sexual energy was essential to building a new kind of society

establishing experimental day-care centers, where children were encouraged to be naked and to explore one another’s bodies.

tried to address the “oppression of children’s sexuality.” Members of the Party advocated abolishing the age of consent for sex between children and adults.


what a nice society you have built

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ulkas
 ulkas      15.06.2025 - 09:22:25 , level: 3, UP   NEW
to znie ako keby si nasiel schemu sam pre seba, ako by si take deti mohol oficko zobrat domov.

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Mr. Darcy
 Mr. Darcy      15.06.2025 - 09:46:05 (modif: 15.06.2025 - 09:48:52), level: 4, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
v tom clanku je napisane, ze to iste spravil aj on. a jeden z nich sa zabil a az potom zistil, ze heureka, sex s detmi nee. teda az potom co si precital o tom nejaky clanok, dovtedy to bolo ok 🫠

poplakal som si ked napisali o tom, ze jedneho ulovila nejaka zena a hoci do smrti poznaceny, tak s rodinkou dobre