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ake porusenie tam bolo? ja som az tak do hlbky nesiel

bol som len prekvapeny ze by trump klamal vo veciach ktore sa daju takto lahko vyvratit, preto som isiel zistit ci to zase neni vytrhnute z kontextu

ako ked povedal ze "there were fine people on both sides", a media to rozsirili akoze hovoril o nackoch, pritom sa explicitne vyjadril ze nehovori o nackoch:

"You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. And you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the White nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and White nationalists."




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pht
 pht      09.10.2020 - 14:16:28 [1K] , level: 1, UP   NEW
ano trump klamal* vo veciach ktore sa daju tak lahko vyvratit. je to skoro neuveritelne, tiez som este stale niekedy prekvapeny po 4 rokoch, ako sa moholo nieco taketo stat, ze sa clovek ako trump stal americkym prezidentom.

* u neho sa to uz neda nazvat ani klamstvom, lebo sa to ani nevztahuje k realite, nie je to opak pravdy, povie hocico co sa v danom momente hodi a kludne povie opak v dalsom, 'debasing of veracity as a tactic'

dam ti to sem treti krat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump
prosim pozri si to a uz sa zobud

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blurec
 blurec      09.10.2020 - 14:24:14 , level: 2, UP   NEW
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump/

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0x230FF1
 0x230FF1      08.10.2020 - 20:22:46 [8K] , level: 1, UP   NEW
bol som len prekvapeny ze by trump klamal vo veciach ktore sa daju takto lahko vyvratit

ty si z ineho vesmiru. creme de la creme trollingu :D

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psycho
 psycho      09.10.2020 - 14:24:55 [1K] , level: 2, UP   NEW
vzdy ked preverujem obvinenia trumpa tak zistujem ze su veci prekrutene
ziadne priamociare klamanie nerobi

kazde jedno jeho tvrdenie musi Kayleigh McEnany zdokladovat na briefingu
pravidelne sa jej pytaju media na veci a ona dava citaty a datumy ku kazdej jednej veci

tvarit sa ze klame, prirovnavat ho k socialistickym diktatorom je uplna fabulacia

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0x230FF1
 0x230FF1      09.10.2020 - 14:30:18 , level: 3, UP   NEW
ved som ti tu uz asi 5krat vypichol jedno konkretne klamstvo zo vcerajsieho rana, co bluznis so socialistickymi diktatormi prosim ta?

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L4ky
 L4ky      09.10.2020 - 10:28:06 [2K] , level: 2, UP   NEW
skor dopletena attention whore

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eno
 eno      09.10.2020 - 13:43:35 , level: 3, UP   NEW
asi by som bol trosku tvrdsi,
kedze popri tom attention whoreingu siri a obhajuje trumpovu propagandu, hate speech a rasizmus

zamoruje tento priestor. neprijma fakticku debatu, prekruca pravdu, fabrikuje argumenty

podla mna by mal dostat ban. easy as that

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psycho
 psycho      09.10.2020 - 14:21:31 , level: 4, UP   NEW
obhajujem rasizmus? really?

proti hate speechu sa tu cely cas vyjadrujem

toto uz fakt prehanas

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eno
 eno      09.10.2020 - 15:37:00 , level: 5, UP   NEW
https://kyberia.sk/id/8792123

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psycho
 psycho      09.10.2020 - 15:42:30 , level: 6, UP   NEW
otazky ktore sa tykali formy diskusie su pre teba obhajoba rasizmu
ty si uz uplne mimo
a na zaklade tychto tvojich volnych asociacii tu chces rozdavat bany

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eno
 eno      09.10.2020 - 15:50:04 , level: 7, UP   NEW
trump:
“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

tvoja reakcia:
`- bola ina doba, kde jeho tvrdenia mohli byt v tej dobe lahsie pochopitelne mainstreamovou majoritou, co chcel povedat povedal vo svetle doby, nemal komu hovorit veci politicky korektne, kedze by na to vtedy nikto nepocuval`

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ja som mimo hej?

podla mna bud obhajujes rasizmus alebo si skurveny rasista.
easy as that

cus

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psycho
 psycho      09.10.2020 - 16:00:49 (modif: 09.10.2020 - 16:02:03), level: 8, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
a hlavne si na mna aj reagoval tak ze si chapal ze nereagujem na text

tak vobec nechapem preco si to teraz vytiahol a prekrutil

teraz to dostan do kacok aby vsetci videli to iste co robis trumpovi, ako to teraz robis mne, vytiahnes veci mimo kontext a spravis to aby to vyzeralo ze moja reakcia sa vztahuje na ten text

fakt nemas stipku ucty?

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eno
 eno      09.10.2020 - 16:08:46 , level: 9, UP   NEW
nic neprekrucam. preto som hore dal na ten link kde sam seba usvedcujes ;)
a nemozes nic prekrutit:
https://kyberia.sk/id/8792123

reagoval som lebo som chcel vidiet co este si schopny vyfabrikovat :D
je to fakt ctenicko tieto tvoje haluze

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psycho
 psycho      09.10.2020 - 16:34:50 , level: 10, UP   NEW
cize budes nadalej tvrdit ze reagujem na text, ktory som si neprecital, hej?

a co tym ziskas ked ma usvedcis klamstva?

cize podla teba som rasista?
aj nacek som?

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eno
 eno      09.10.2020 - 16:47:50 , level: 11, UP   NEW
reagoval si na text ktory si precital - pozri si spatne diskusiu
ponaras sa stale hlbsie do svojich sraciek
https://kyberia.sk/id/8792123

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psycho
 psycho      09.10.2020 - 17:04:48 (modif: 09.10.2020 - 17:05:51), level: 12, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
nuz, tak ked ti to spravi dobre, tak si pre mna zamna domysli ze som bol ozraty a povedal som veci ktore som nechcel, a teraz s nimi nesuhlasim, ale asi som teda skryty rasista

a ignoruj ze ti hovorim ze som necital ten text, lebo mi prislo zbytocne sa s tebou dotahovat, lebo som vedel ze ma pojdes "neutralne" presviedcat o svojej pravde

radsej ten cas venujem id pht, iked s nim je to tiez trapenie, ale aspon dava veci s ktorymi sa viem niekedy stotoznit a neni to cisto len dokazat mi ze som kokot ako to robis ty, velmi nefasisticke inak

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eno
 eno      09.10.2020 - 17:14:22 , level: 13, UP   NEW
bla bla

reagoval si na ten text, neviem co tu splietas

ci hovoris ze si bol ozraty a teda sa ospravedlnujes ze to bolo uplne mimo co si pisal?

nesnazil som sa dokazat ze si kokot :D snazil som sa ti len pomoct a otvorit ti oci voci faktom a realite, ktoru zjavne opominas

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psycho
 psycho      09.10.2020 - 17:16:46 , level: 14, UP   NEW
reagoval som na teba, ze vytahujes veci z 1973

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eno
 eno      09.10.2020 - 17:21:06 , level: 15, UP   NEW
uz ti dochadza para. klames jak trump
https://kyberia.sk/id/8792123

obhajoval si rasisticke komentare.

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psycho
 psycho      09.10.2020 - 17:25:54 (modif: 09.10.2020 - 17:27:01), level: 16, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
ok, klamem, whatever

sprav si z tohto aj screenshot nech mas dokaz ze som sa priznal

bye

musis mat fakt zufaly zivot ak toto potrebujes robit

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eno
 eno      09.10.2020 - 17:49:51 , level: 17, UP   NEW
som rad ze si si priznal ze klames. to je prvy krok
prajem ti vela stastia na dalsej ceste k poznaniu pravdy a reality
bohuzial tvoje usmernovanie necham na inych kedze na pracu s takymi ako ty nemam certifikat

papa

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psycho
 psycho      09.10.2020 - 18:11:03 , level: 18, UP   NEW
vidim ze okrem hyperboly si v skolke chybal aj ked sa preberala ironia

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psycho
 psycho      09.10.2020 - 15:55:57 (modif: 09.10.2020 - 15:59:36), level: 8, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
ja som to necital, takze som na to ani nemohol reagovat

pytal som sa ta vseobecne nez to zacnem citat ci si zohladnil ze to je 50 rokov stare, tym padom ina doba, ine kontexty, a my nemame ako vediet presny vyznam tych slov, ako boli vtedy mienene, plus dnes je inym clovekom, jednak sa zmenil, druha vec ze s vekom a skusenostami moze rast aj respekt k inym kulturam a mladicke predsudky mozu ist prec - teda je to nieco podla coho ideme sudit dnesneho cloveka? a si pripraveny povedat ze okey, na zaklade tohto nemozem uplne odsudit jeho dnesne ja?

ty si fakt z hocicoho domyslis zaver
necudo ze potom vsade vidis rasizmus ked si dofarbujes veci tak aby ti vysiel tvoj oblubeny rasizmus

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L4ky
 L4ky      09.10.2020 - 16:02:18 [1K] , level: 9, UP   NEW
co to kurva zase splietas za picoviny :)

uz fakt moc tlacis na pilu, budes za kkta fakt, radim ti dat si chvilu vyklus.. toto je fakt cez :D

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psycho
 psycho      09.10.2020 - 16:05:11 (modif: 09.10.2020 - 16:05:47), level: 10, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
ale je legit skopirovat cast prispevku a cast reakcie a spojit ich lebo sa mu hodi na oznacenie ze som rasista (a pritom v case ked mi odpovedal rozumel ze sa to nevztahuje k tomu)

proste cielene zavadzanie

a jake picoviny prosim ta?

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eno
 eno      09.10.2020 - 16:09:58 , level: 11, UP   NEW
nic neprekrucam. preto som hore dal na ten link kde sam seba usvedcujes ;)
a nemozes nic prekrutit:
https://kyberia.sk/id/8792123

reagoval som lebo som chcel vidiet co este si schopny vyfabrikovat :D
je to fakt ctenicko tieto tvoje haluze

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pht
 pht      09.10.2020 - 13:49:17 [1K] , level: 4, UP   NEW
+ dava ti prilezitost vcas rozpoznat v sebe zrnka fasizmu

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eno
 eno      09.10.2020 - 14:06:59 [2K] , level: 5, UP   NEW
neviem co tym myslis ale pokial naznacujes ze ja som fasista tak si ma fakt pobavil.
(kedze oponujem trumpovmu stupencovi v tejto diskusii. trump ma btw podla mna dost naslapnute k fasizmu cize si uplne ze vedla)

cize mal by si trochu upratat pojmy

pomozem ti:

Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

na zaklade coho ti pripada moj koment fasisticky?

pokial narazas na ban kvoli hajeniu stupencov rasizmu, hate speech etc. tak je to podla mna adekvatne riesenie.

myslis ze ked napr FB zablokuje nejake rasisticke komentare alebo stranky je to fasizmus? :D

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Deus
 Deus      10.10.2020 - 00:56:46 , level: 6, UP   NEW
No a teraz mi prezraď čo z tej tebou postnutej definície spĺňa konkrétne Trump.

Musim to repostnut lebo si tu obhryzam nechty pri tom, ako nas tu zachranujes pred touto pohromou a nedostava sa mi odpovede

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eno
 eno      10.10.2020 - 03:08:50 [1K] , level: 7, UP   NEW
aby sme boli objektivny tak povedal som ze `trump ma btw podla mna dost naslapnute k fasizmu` cize nehovorim priamo ze je fasoun

kazdopadne tu si mozes nieco precitat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpism

-zopar poznamok:

forcible suppression of opposition
- Donald Trump complained again that not enough of his political enemies have been arrested – and said attorney general Bill Barr could find himself in “a sad situation” if he doesn’t start rounding them up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-bill-barr-arrests-fox-news-clinton-obama-biden-obamagate-b885971.html

- utok na establishment - spochybnovanie demokracie - neodstupi ak prehra - nemoze prehrat lebo ak hej tak je to rigged

-form of far-right, authoritarian - sympatie k far right sa nedaju popriet. ohlad na jeho rasisticku retoriku

-kult osobnosti - republikanska party je prakticky trump - vsetci su z neho zosrati a stiahli chvosty a slepo ho nasleduju a papagajuju jeho klamstva

-ultranationalism - MAGA

-krestanstvo - presadzuje katacku agendu a ma taku retoriku - vid posledne `chcu vam zavret permanentne kostoly` (ja sa o vas postaram). nova supreme judge je ujebana katacka proti gayom a abortion atd https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/us/people-of-praise-amy-coney-barrett.html

atd. je toho kopa

tu je nejaky starsi clanok z 2016:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/10/9886152/donald-trump-fascism

kde este hovoria ze splna podmienky ale chyba tam jeden fragment a to
Fascism requires the rejection of democracy

co este nevedeli ako sa bude spravat teraz ohladom volieb - ved ich spochybnuje uz par mesiacov vyzera jak keby sa pripravoval odmietnut vysledok volieb

podla mna ho budu musiet z WH odniest v kazajke :D

kazdopadne myslim ze mozem s pokojom duse vyhlasit to co som povedal ze `trump ma btw podla mna dost naslapnute k fasizmu`

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Deus
 Deus      10.10.2020 - 15:54:48 , level: 8, UP   NEW
Rozumiem, dakujem za zhrnutie, je tam urcite viacero validnych pointov, co sa smerovania tyka a v tom, ako je popisany Trumpizmus.

Osobne ale vidim, ze viacero z tych bodov je vylucne medialne nafuknutych a to je tym, ze urcite spektrum medii zhodilo masku a chova sa vyslovene ako opozicni kandidati v politickej kampani.

Prave najviac sa rozideme v tom vyjadreni k volbam. Pozeram tie videa, ktore tvrdia, ze Trump nechce odstupit, ale to jednoducho nikdy nepovedal a otazka ani nikdy nebola polozena: "Odstupite ked prehrate volby?" Odpoved: "Nie". Otazka bola: "Podstupite po volbach k zmierlivemu odovzdaniu moci?" (cize aj ked vyhra? wtf? nespecifikovane naschval, len aby sa to mohlo rozmazavat), odpoved: "Nie, mam pochybnosti k hlasovaniu postou."
A k tomu som sa nedavno vyjadroval v inej diskusii:
"Mate pravdu, ze Trump upozornoval na volbu prostrednictvom posty a niektore z tychto tvrdeni, ako to uz pri vela jeho vyhlaseniach byva, nemali vela substancie. Napriek tomu je ale rozdiel medzi dvoma sposobmi volby postou a to:
a.,posta vyziadana, pri obcanoch, ktory predpokladaju, ze sa nebudu moct zucastnit osobne, ale na svojej volbe si davaju zalezat a tato metoda je znacne spolahliva a
b.,zmena hlasovacieho rezimu z osobneho na vylucne postovy, kde by mali tieto obalky obdrzat vsetci obcania bez vyziadania - s touto metodou je ovela viac komplikacii: velky potencial na nedorucenie na spravnu adresu, stratenie vyplnenych a objem nespravne vyplnenych. Navyse je problem, ze toto na celostatnej urovni nie je overeny a osvedceny postup, ak sa nemylim, tak prave naopak, je to bezprecedentna situacia. V neposlednom rade na dovere nepridava ani vyvijajuca sa sprava od Project Veritas o kupovani hlasov touto metodou do senatnych volieb v prospech senatorky Omar ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWK56l2VaLY )"

Takze ja osobne som sa rozhodol vyhnut imigracii do US nie kvoli tomu, ze sa bojim jeho rezimu, ale prave naopak, mam strach kvoli jeho opozicii, pretoze ta teraz uplne zakopala Kaliforniu

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b) - odkedy je v mode mat utvoreny 'nazor' na detaily americkeho hlasovacieho systemu? kde na to chodis prosimta? je to priamo ako z dezinformacnej prirucky.

e: tak uz aj ja som expert! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_voting_in_the_United_States

Research shows that the availability of postal voting increases voter turnout.[6][5][7] It has been argued that postal voting has a greater risk of fraud than in-person voting, though there are relatively few known instances of such fraud,[8] with one database finding 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud from 2000 to 2012, a period in which billions of votes were cast.[9] Election offices rejected 67,000 ballots in the 2018 election[10] and 92,000 in the 2016 election[11] because mismatched signatures led officials to believe postal ballots had been forged.[12] If they had not been forged, voters were disenfranchised.[13] Processing large numbers of ballots and signature verifications accurately has numerous challenges other than fraud.[14][15][11][16]

As of July 2020, five states—Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington—hold elections almost entirely by mail.[17] Postal voting is an option in 33 states and the District of Columbia. Other states allow postal voting only in certain circumstances, though the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 has prompted further discussion about relaxing some of those restrictions. In the run up to the 2020 United States presidential election, repeatedly asserting that mail-in voting will result in widespread fraud, President Donald Trump has indicated that he will block necessary funding for the postal service that ensures such votes are processed securely[18] and on time.[19] In September 2020, the Homeland Security Department issued an intelligence bulletin asserting "Russia is likely to continue amplifying criticisms of vote-by-mail and shifting voting processes amidst the COVID-19 pandemic to undermine public trust in the electoral process."[20]