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Ako teraz fungujete? Aké opatrenia dodržiavate? (Neskôr reparent do osobných dopadov.)

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nič extra, veľkú časť svojich zvykov meniť nemusím. prudko preferujem outdoor akcie a stretká pred indoor, frekventovaným uliciam sa vyhýábam kedykoľvek a chodím cez bočné, pešo som často rýchlejší ako mhd, vo vlaku najradšej sadám do prázdnych kupéčiek a vozňov s otvárateľnými oknami, chodím na koncerty s účasťou 30 ľudí a festivaly s účasťou 200. jediný nezvyk čo robím je, že dnuka nosím rúško a viac si dezinfikujem ruky a mobil.

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- rusko nosim vsade
- vyhybam sa velkym skupinam
- dezinfikujem vsetko co donesiem domov
- donasky a restauracie som skrtol na samom zaciatku - pokladam ich za potencialne najviac nebezpecne (hlavne po tom ako som nazrel do jednej kuchyne, kde sa veselo robilo bez rusok a bez rukavic)
- vyhybam sa mhd
- potraviny objednavam len online (lunys.sk, masodomov.sk, bioland a nejaka azia)
- udrzujem zasobu potravin pre dvoch na 3 mesiace
- udrzujem zasobu 80% liehu, glycerolu a zakladnych potrieb (drogeria, kozmetika, zradlo a podstielka pre macky)
- po navrate domov - veci idu rovno do pracky alebo do 3 dnovej karanteny, clovek do sprchy :)
e: raz za cas si robime rychlotest (https://unizdrav.sk/tovar/3190/certifikovany-rychlotest-na-covid-19-s-97-5-uspesnostou-vysledkov-1-kus)
e2: pracujeme aj s priatelkou z domu ofc

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ad veci súvisiace s jedlom: všetky (mne) dostupné texty tvrdia o tom, že neexistujú žiadne dôkazy o tom, že by sa covid šíril cez jedlo, či už jeho prípravou, alebo cez obaly na jedlo, a že vzhľadom k spôsobu, akým sa vírus šíri, tak tento spôsob jeho šírenia je vysoko nepravdepodobný a považovaný za takmer bezrizikový.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-food-risk.html
https://www.condalab.com/int/en/blog/is-it-possible-for-covid-19-to-spread-through-food--n151
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3090542/does-covid-19-spread-through-food-evidence-says-highly-unlikely

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neodporujete si...
ano je vysoko nepravdepodobny az bezrizikovy.
ak vsak nikam nechodis, vsetko co ti pride domov dezinfikujes, oblecenie hned peries, a ty sa sprchujes, tak je to stale potencialne najvacsie riziko.

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nuz, zrejme som cital ine studie. Kazdoadne aj ten prvy link co sid al tvrdi toto:

Another factor is the biology of the virus. It cannot survive for weeks at a time on surfaces — a characteristic of other foodborne viruses such as norovirus, according to the Centers for Science in the Public Interest. (Preliminary studies have found the new coronavirus may last a few hours to a few days on certain surfaces.) And unlike bacteria, viruses cannot grow inside food, so the amount of virus in the food would be expected to dwindle with time, rather than grow.

Also, in theory, this type of virus should not survive well in the stomach, which is very acidic. "That's good news around food," Chapman said.

Still, the extent to which people can become infected by touching their mouths, or eating contaminated food, is unclear.

"It's not that it's not possible" for people to become infected with COVID-19 through food, Chapman said."There's always this possibility. But I want to make the best risk management decision based on the best science and evidence, and we just don't have any evidence in that area" right now, Chapman said.

Z mojho pohladu - nakazeny kuchar, bez ruska a rukavic moze kontaminovat jedlo (pripadne jeho obal).
Co sa tyka nakupovania v obchode, neviem ci si bol v poslednej dobe v nejakom obchode v BA (billa, lidl .. etc.) ... Ludi hromada, hlava na hlave, rukami obchytavaju veci, ruska pod nosom ... Dakujem, neprosim :)

z praktickeho pohladu - umyvat veci a nejest v restikach a donaske, nam nebudera na komforte. Skromne poviem, obaja s priatelkov varime nadpriemerne dobre a sme doma, cize si vieme navarit jedlo, na ktore sa vecsina BA restik a donasok nechyta aj tak. ;)

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z dalsieho clanku co si dal:

"Recent research has assessed the survival of the virus on different surfaces and has concluded that, under controlled conditions of relative humidity and temperature, SARS-CoV-2 maintains its viability for up to 3 days on plastic and stainless steel, 4 hours on copper and up to 1 day on cardboard. Nevertheless, there is no evidence to suggest that contaminated containers exposed to diverse environmental and temperature conditions transmit the infection.  

 

However, as the virus present on the skin can be transferred to the respiratory system, personnel handling the containers should follow hygiene practices to avoid its propagation. Regular training as a reinforcement is also important. 

The aim of the measures is to eliminate the risk of contamination being carried by an infected worker on both food and containers surfaces.  

To this end, personal protective equipment (PPE) such as masks and gloves can be effective in reducing the spread of viruses and diseases, but only if used properly.  "

Z vlastnej skusenosti ludom pracujucim v gastre proste neverim. (ano, trochu predsudok, priznavam)

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Fuha, dufam ze psychohygienu tiez nejako riesite?

Vyzývam všetkých kriticky zmýšľajúcich ľudí, aby konečne dospeli k jednotnému názoru!

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Samozrejme. Cele dni mame preplnene programom (ci uz indoor alebo outdoor). btw - opatrenia a priprava je tiez sucast psychohygieny ;)
Podla hesla: "Priprav sa na to najhorsie a ver v to najlepsie"

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inak ja som si myslel, ze aspon take veci ako bozkavanie sa na lice so znamymi (s manzelkynimi kamaratkami) zmizne, ale nic, ludia sa chcu cmukat jak keby sa nechumelilo.
ale neviem, mozno je to uplne jedno, ak sme u nich na navsteve a jeme jedlo co pripravili, alebo sedime spolu v restike dve hodiny pri stole...

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vyhybam sa cudzim ludom, nie social distanc ale 3 metrovy. ak idem po chodniku, zakazdym sa snazim ist co najdalej od ludi.
s kamaratmi a rodinou sa stretavam, uzavrete priestory nevyhladavam.

z mojho pozorovania ludia kaslu, odkaslavaju. a normalne chodia medzi ludi do interierov, umyvanie ruk 0, rusko pod bradoupripadne v ruke. kazdy den si niekto odkasle vedla mna. chapem, ze to neni korona, ale tak ked kurva kaslem mam nosit rusko aj na ociach vzdy. (a nejedna sa o alergikov ci astmatikov)

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vsak ked sa bojis, daj si rusko </s>

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pozorovanie po navrate do bezneho zivota - pozitivnym dopadom corona opatreni je ze na mnohych miestach (WC, ambulancie, nemocnica, skoly aj podniky) zrazu maju zakladne hyginicke pomocky, t.j. mydlo a papierove utierky

kiez by to vyzdrzalo

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Żubr żuł żuchwą żurawinę

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- rusko iba v obchodoch, verejnej doprave
- umyvanie ruk po prichode dnu

- bol som na sluzobku v rakusku - vo vlaku, metre rusko, inak v obchodoch ruska nevyzaduju, ja som ho mal
- bol som s detmi v detskej herni v Bratislave (toto bolo podla mna asi najviac rizikove co som spravil, premiesa sa tam v tesnom kontakte prilis vela roznych deti)

- zijem zivot ako predtym - navstevy obchodov, rodiny, sport, sauna, plavaren, kino
- ocakavam ze casom pride mensi lockdown
- :-) tesi ma ze ludia sa viac boja pretoze vsade je menej ludi (v kine sme 2-6 namiesto 40, v saune 4 namiesto 12) trosku klesol konzum, planete a teda nam vsetkym to pomoze, na druhu stranu mozno firmy budu viac zatvarat sauny a kina...

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- citim ze som mal velke stastie - nasa firma funguje dalej, platia, robim home office, a mozno aj budu klesat ceny nehnutelnosti...

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dnes som bol v brne, a tam som s ruskom nevidel asi nikoho. ja to preventivne nosim ked som v kontakte s ludmi, ale vacsinou sa stretavam s reakciami, ze si to mam dat dole ako napr. dnes v taxiku alebo bezne v skole. urcite chcem aj v buducnosti skusit respirator na bike v meste a aj vyuzivat rusko v nejakej forme. vtipne je, ze sa takto nahle zlegalizoval chytry hack na rozoznavanie tvari. co sa tyka dezinfekcie, tak v tom som od zaciatku velmi pozadu. nakupili sa vselijake picoviny, ale nic z toho sa nepouziva. inac samozrejme obmedzit kontakt na nevyhnutne minimum je stale aktualne.

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s tym, ze mi niekto povedal aby som si dal dole rusko, som sa zatial stretol iba raz a dost ma to prekvapilo. bolo to v ocnej ambulancii, kde som isiel na perimeter (co je cca 15 minutova zalezitost) a sestricka zrejme s dobrym umyslom

- Mozete si to dat dole (mal som respirator (bez ventilu ofc))

Odpovedam jej, pozerajuc na jej rusko stiahnute pod bradou

- Dakujem, urcite si to dole nedam.

Zaskocene si natiahla rusko az pod nos, aby sa nepovedalo. Ale vzdy, ked mi nieco isla povedat, rusko si stiahla pod bradu a potom si ho vratila. Opat pod nos.

V ambulancii, kde sa jej premelie za den neviem kolko ludi, to naozaj nepochopim. Pritom je 60+, nadvaha, cize rizikova skupina. Doktor (v inej miestnosti) uz tak, ako ma byt, rusko, rukavice, dezinfekcia..

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Díky za odpovede, a privítam aj ďalšie.

Za seba - všimla som si, že sme sa s frajerom zvoľna vrátili k business as usual a ani neviem, ako sa to stalo.

Resp. takto - od 1.5. do 16.5. sme boli zavretí na turnuse v domove dôchodcov. Keď sme tam vchádzali, mesto bolo ako gosttown, keď sme vyšli, fungovali terasy a o koronavíruse na naše prekvapenie ľudia hovorili v minulom čase.

Ja som si povedala, že kým funguje mesto, vrátim sa k hraniu na ulici, čo znamená presun verejnom dopravou + hranie. Ono, ja aj mimo koronavírus nehrávam na frekventovaných miestach, ale tomu, že za mnou dakedy niekto príde a chce sa rozprávať, sa úplne vyhnúť nedá.

Raz som skončila na party v interiéri, jednoducho som mala pocit, že organizátori snáď vedia, čo robia. Spätne som z toho mala úplne zlý pocit a povedala som si, že si na to musím dávať bacha a nabudúce sa na to vysrať. No a týždeň na to som skončila v interiéri znovu, hoci tentokrát poloprázdnom.

Jednoducho, všimla som si, že akonáhle vyleziem do civilizácie, tak narazím na všeobecný mámvpičizmus a často sa ním nechám tak situačne vliecť a oveľa ťažšie sa mi teraz stanovujú a dodržiavajú nejaké štandardy.

Preto som zvedavá, ako sú na tom ľudia, ktorých považujem za informovanejších než to, čo stretávam na ulici...

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Mna velmi frustruje, ze v skupine ludi som na tych ludi odkazany. Ak oni su nezodpovedni, tak som v pazi aj ja -- a je jedno co robim, lebo jednostranne veci ako rusko alebo liter izopropylalkoholu ma nezachrania, ked oni maju na haku. Preto sa jednoducho vyhybam vsetkym okrem par ludi, kde to riziko krat frekvencia povazujem za prijatelne v porovnani s hodnotou toho socialneho kontaktu.

Mozeme sa bavit o tom, kde su hranice medzi nezodpovednostou, zodpovednostou a paranojou, ale mne ide skor o tu bezmocnost a odkazanost, na ktoru som prisiel pocas tejto pandemie.

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Rusko medzi ludmi, ci vnutri alebo vonku, ci peso alebo na bajku. Bez ruska tam, kde nikoho niet.

Praca stale 100% home office, nasa firma je v tomto fajn.

Pomaly sa stretavam s ludmi, raz tyzdenne s troma muzikantmi, raz za dva mesiace s priatelkou a jej rodicmi. V skusobni s ruskom, ale to je skor z tvrdohlavosti, lebo tuna v holandsku ruska nenosi nikto. :)

Bicykel miesto MHD. Zistil som, ze do skusobne vobec nemusim ist metrom a trva to zhruba rovnako dlho.

Nosim flasku 70% izopropylalkoholu s rozprasovacom, pouzivam casto a hojne na ruky a predmety.

Planujem ist navstivit mamu a sestru na Slovensko v lete na dva tyzdne.

Nakupujem uz v miestnom obchode asi raz za tyzden; posledna donaska potravin mi prisla pred par tyzdnami.

Veci a oblecenie s ktorymi / v ktorych som bol von, nechavam v predsieni "v karantene" na par dni.

Nakupene veci uz neumyvam plosne. Co moze zostat v predsieni, zostava v predsieni par dni; co ma ist do chladnicky, ide do chladnicky na najspodnejsiu policku. Zeleninu apod. umyvam ako pred virusom, akurat mozno dokladnejsie. Doposial som nepocul o ziadnom pripade prenosu virusu z nakupenych potravin, teda hadam to az take potrebne nie je.

Ludom sa vyhybam, obzvlast tym, co rozpravaju, alebo su hlucni.

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> Ludom sa vyhybam, obzvlast tym, co rozpravaju, alebo su hlucni.

:D to je pred-pandemicky (business as usual) stav pre niektorich

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rusko mam v zaludnenych oblastiach (interiery ako obchody, exteriery ktore maju strechu (trh, kde sa tlacia ludia).

pouzivam na ruky dezinfekciu castejsie ako predtym, hlavne ked idem chytat nieco co ide blizko ust (kornutok od zmrzky, pohar piva)

na pivo chodim na terasu, zopar krat ma okolnosti vyhnali do vnutra ale nemal som dobry pocit

edit: este dodam, ze dovolenky mimo slovenska sme presunuli na buduci rok;-)

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Maska v interieri, v supermarkete som nebola uz 4 mesiace, chodim akurat na trh a do pekarne, kde si dam masku tiez
Umyvanie ruk ked sa da, dezinfekcii sa snazim vyhybat ak to nie je nutne, lebo sa mi na ruke volaco vyhodilo a furt sa to zhorsi ked si dam gel

Doma pracujeme obaja by default, akurat na vylety chodime viac do prirody nez do okolitych miest a dedin.. obcas ideme na kavu ci do restauracie, no sedime vonku

Jeden velky pruser co tato kriza pre mna vyprodukovala - chodenie na wc mimo domu, co je pre mna tiez jeden z dovodov, preco idem radsej do prirody. Myslim ze toto je problem pre kopu zien, ktore potrebuju pouzivat wc castejsie.. hlavne tehotne ci s detmi

No a buduci weekend sa odhodlavam ist do fablabu konecne, potrebujem uz daco normalne robit

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Home office. Ruska v interieri temer vzdy, ale par vynimiek (WC v podniku, ci domova chodba) som uz spravil, ked nebolo vnutri vela ludi. Ak stretnutie, tak iba vonku, cize v podniku/restike iba terasa. V exterieri vsak rusko nosim minimalne, kedze na zaludnene miesta nechodim. Nakupy uz neriesime, chodime ked treba a kam treba, aj obchodne centra. Prilis preplnenym ihriskam sa s detmi vyhybame. Skola/skolka sme nedali, nedame ani cez prazdniny.

Ale v globale u nas ludia na to uz zvysoka ... ziaden distanc, ziadne ruska.

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HO mame oficialne do 31.8., uvidime co potom
raz do tyzdna idem nakupovat
bol som par krat na pive, ale to bol exterier a moc to nepraktizujem

mal by som ist buduci tyzden do prahy kvoli nejakym rodinnym veciam, ale bohvie ako to dopadne... zrovna sa tam nehrniem.

rusko nosim niekedy aj v exterieroch, ked viem, ze idem cez relativne zaludnenu zonu. mam pici, nic ma to nestoji.

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stale homeoffice, kedze do prace nemusime do konca septembra, ale mozno teplo ma tam vyzenie
ruska v obchodoch a podobne (ale to je asi stale povinne); uz neriesim, ze velke nakupy - idem ked potrebujem
stale si umyvam ruky hned ako pridem domov, stale si davam pozor na to, ze si ich mimo domu nestrkam do ust, oci
(dezinfekciu len ked maju niekde nahodou autodispenser, inak som si za cely cas ani ziadnu nezhanal)
pivo sa snazim radsej vonku, vacsinou to ide
na koncerty ma to nelaka, ale jeden a pol vynimky som uz spravil

spravy a vsetky cisla som sledoval pozorne kvoli cestovaniu, ked to obdobie preslo, tak ich sledujem omnoho menej (a myslim, ze to je hlavny dovod toho preco to riesim menej)

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muz je stale homeoffice
obchod s potravinami raz do tyzdna
vyhybam sa obchodnym centram, fitku (aj ked mi bezi clenske), restikam.
Umyvanie a dezinfekcia ruk stale na rovnakom leveli
Jedine miesto, kde prichadzam vyrazne do styku s ostatnymi ludmi je na detskom ihrisku.

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standardny asocial rezim a home office az do decembra;
rusko iba v obchodoch a mhd a pri stretnutiach sa pytam druhej strany ci si mam dat rusko alebo netreba
+ ostalo zvysene umyvanie ruk (obycajnym mydlom) a cistenie obalov

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odkedy nam zrusili homeoffice a som na jednom poschodi s cca 100 ludmi bez rusok a s pustenou klimatizaciou, som si to v hlave musel prenut, inak by som to nedal. cize teraz fungujem tak ako keby virus ani nebol. pri takychto cislach pred par mesiacmi som bol ovela viac ostrazity.
nemyslim na to co bude. bohuzial

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Rúško v interiéroch (obchody, lekárne, mhd) a dezinfekcia pri vstupe do týchto priestorov. Inak nič iné