Re: 27.03.2018-23:53:27 :: Remember, remember, the velvet November


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Este by ma zaujimala tabulka vzdialenosti, kolko kto musi po tej rovine travelovat.

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ze priemerny bike 'trip' ma v kodani 4.7 a vo zvysku danska 3.7 km, ale neviem, ci su tie data spolahlive.

holandsko v 2009 ze vraj takto:
Nationally, 27% of all journeys made for all purposes are by bike. Interesting point: 70% of all journeys in the Netherlands are under 7.5 km, while 11% are between 7.5 km and 15 km and 18% are over 15 km. That's very much the same as transport patterns in any country. However, 34% of those short journeys, 15% of the intermediate journeys and 2% of the longer journeys are made by bike

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population density (approximately)

copenhagen: 6800 people per square kilometer
bratislava: 1157 people per square kilometer

brno: 1642 people per square kilometer
berlin: 3944 people per square kilometers
barcelona: 16000 people per square kilometers
paris: 21498 people per square kilometers

(komentar autora: bratislava je prekliate riedko osidlena/zastavana)

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tymto sa casto operuje, ale dost by ma zaujimalo ci to v pripade BA zahrna nejaku rozumnu cast mesta, alebo aj bažinu medzi Vajnorami a Racou, lesopark, vodne plochy, lesik medzi velkym a malym drazdiakom a tak. A keby sa este odfajcili rodinne domky na kolibe, kramaroch, raci, lamaci..
Ze ci to neni trosku kokotina cele. Lebo kazdy tym operuje, ale nevidel som este mapu co je to ta bratislava. Lebo katastralne su to aj luzne lesy pri dunaji dakde medzi cunovom a vojkou.

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zrovna tento udaj (zdroj: wikipedia) je vypocitany z rozlohy mesta 367 km2 a poctu obyvatelov 429564.

wiki:
Rozloha 367 km² (36 700 ha)
- aglomerácia 853,15 km² (85 315 ha)
- kraj 2 053 km² (205 300 ha)
Obyvateľstvo 429 564 (31. 12. 2017) [2]
- aglomerácia 546 300 (2007?) [3]
- kraj 650 838 (31. 12. 2017) [2]
Hustota 1 170,47 obyv./km²
- aglomerácia 640 obyv./km²
- kraj 317 obyv./km²

nech to beries ako chces, staci sa prejst hocikde po bratislave a ta nizka hustota je dost zrejma.

na druhu stranu ja osobne mam dost averziu k mestam bez blokovej, alebo inej formy kompaktnej zastavby. takze samostatne obytne domy (vid. cela bratislava mimo centra) su pre mna no-no.

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Zahrna to plochu bratislavy: https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BAbor:Bratislava_MC.svg

Preco by si odfajcoval rodinne domy a zelene plochy a vselico ine? co to zmeni na fakte ze z dnv do cunova je 35km? Preco potom neodfajcit aj parky a hluche zony v inych mestach?

Kokotina to samozrejme je kvoli nefunkcnemu statu a zlym zakonom (trvaly pobyt, statistiky), ale ani to nic nemeni na tom ze bratislava je velmi roztahana.

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Jasne, roztahana je brutalne. Plus Istrochem a podobne brownfieldy.
Len mi to pripada nie uplne vhodny indikator na diskusiu o doprave. Ale zas ked nad tym teraz tak rozmyslam, tak na kazdy druh musis mat iny indikator atd atd, cize vlastne okej no:)

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Tu su nejake data z 2011-2013:
http://www.cycling-embassy.dk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2011-2013-Fact-sheet-cycling-in-DK-1.pdf

in Denmark, 87% of all trips and 57% of the overall driven kilometers on bike are
made up of trips that are shorter than 5 km. Only 4% of the trips are longer than 11 km, but due to the length of the trips they account for 18% of the overall driven kilometers on bike.