Cold fusion reactor verified by third-party researchers, seems to have 1 million times the energy density of gasoline :: Something smarter than us is going to emerge


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Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat — the device that purports to use cold fusion to generate massive amounts of cheap, green energy has been verified by third-party researchers, according to a new 54-page report

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Once again, Tommaso Rodigo posted a text promoting the "independent test". It's of course not independent at all – almost all these men have been Rossi's pals for years and Rossi himself was allowed to execute some of the key procedures of this "independent test".

http://motls.blogspot.sk/2014/10/cold-fusion-science-which-is-not-science.html

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http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/05/21/the-e-cat-is-back-and-people-are-still-falling-for-it/

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vyberam z tvojho clanku napisaneho z pred vyse roka:
"But if you test it scientifically, then we’ll talk. Not before."

Prave preto som sem ten link daval, kedze bolo vykonane vedecke testovanie.

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Pridal som vyssie dalsi link, ktory hovori o tom ze to nieje vedecke testovanie:
http://motls.blogspot.sk/2014/10/cold-fusion-science-which-is-not-science.html

Je tu opravnenost ocakavat podvod, kedze tento pan ma historiu podvodnych pokusov.

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detailne som to necital, kde su tie dovody?

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Prelinkovany clanok: http://www.science20.com/a_quantum_diaries_survivor/cold_fusion_a_better_study_on_the_infamous_ecat-146700
... the study betrays one of its major shortcomings in clear already on page 7, when it clarifies that the inventor of the device took part in the experimental activities:

"Rossi intervened to switch off the dummy," (the reactor unloaded with reactant) " and in the following subsequent operations on the E-Cat: charge insertion, reactor startup, reactor shutdown and powder charge extraction."

This means that part of the test was conducted with the physical presence of Rossi in the critical phases.

...

The absolutely mandatory requirement for an independent test is the total absence of the interested party from the scene. So it is a rather idle occupation to read the rest of the 53-page document.

http://news.newenergytimes.net/2014/10/12/rossi-handles-samples-in-alleged-independent-test-of-his-device/

“The dummy reactor was switched on at 12:20 p.m. of 24 February 2014 by Andrea Rossi who gradually brought it to the power level requested by us,” the authors wrote. “Rossi later intervened to switch off the dummy, and in the following subsequent operations on the E-Cat: [powder] charge insertion, reactor startup, reactor shutdown and powder charge extraction. Throughout the test, no further intervention or interference on his part occurred; moreover, all phases of the test were monitored directly by the collaboration.”

The authors failed to remain in full control of the material they tested. The samples they sent for testing could have come from anywhere.

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http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf samotny report vyzera na prvy pohlad celkom vierohodne :)

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aj si to cele cital/a alebo len fakt prvy pohlad ?

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cele nie, len abstract a conclusion.

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To znie vierohodne. :D

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je svojim sposobom uzasne ze ludia veria takymto ojebom :)

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Prianie otcom myslienky, to je v ludskom uvazovani mocna sila.

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tak ono k tomu zvadza, ale vo vseobecnosti, predstavme si ze existuje sposob tvorby energie, ktory by bol skoro nevycerpatelny a ekologicky, vsetky odvetvia tvorby energie by tak eventuelne ostali zbytocne a ludia ktori v nich pracuju by ostali nezamestnani, bavime sa o milionoch ludi, zaroven vsetci co maju biznis v tradicnych energy sources a su momentalne jedni z najbohatsich ludi/krajin sveta by o taky biznis prisli..
z kruteho realistickeho pohladu, je pre spolocnost a zaujmove skupiny ( a staty ) krajne nevhodne urobit taky jump - a ked, tak sa bude k nemu len pomaly pristupovat aby svet nezazil sok. pripadne sa to objavi az po soku (vojny) kedy sa zacne budovat cely balans sveta nanovo

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Klasicky argument "suflikovych technologii".
V dnesnej dobe pracuju miliony ludi v roznych "bullshit joboch" v tzv. sektore sluzieb, dlasie miliony su udrziavane na podpore a dalsie miliony sice pracuju v energetike, ale neda sa povedat, ze by z toho nieco mali (Nigeria, Emiraty,etc.). Podla mojho skromneho nazoru, spolocnost s neobmedzenym prisunom lacnej energie by nemala moc problem roztriedit do tychto skupin par dalsich milionov.
A pokial ide o ten druhy koniec socialneho spektra, nic podla mna nebrani tym co su dnes pri kormidle energetickeho sektoru, aby tieto zazracne technologie zo suflika vytiahli a zacali na nich kapitalizovat. Jedine, ze by tieto suflikove technologie neexistovali....

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nic nechapes, v sufliku to maju arabi a potrebuju drzat vsetkych v sachu. Eventualne rusko, dedicstvo po starom-dobrom teslovi, ale argument je rovnaky.

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V sufliku nema nikto nic imho :)

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ja suhlasim ze sa to tam roztriedit da, ale nie sokovo a masovo

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Energeticka revolucia podobna tomu co popisujes uz prebieha, len teda nie je zalozena na profesionalnych ojebavacoch ktori tvrdia ze elektricky ohrievac je v skutocnosti studena fuzia, takze to pre urcitu cast spolocnosti nie je zaujimave.

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a stale dookola uz niekolko rokov.
ten podvodnik rossi este nesedi v base?

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skus tentokrat vynechat tvoj standardny trolling a napisat nieco k veci.
co som zatial o chladnej fuzii cital, tak nevyzeralo, ze by sme boli velmi blizko k jej realizacii. o roznych blackboxoch co vyrabaju energiu som pocul a 'odbornici' na to reagovali ze je to ojeb.
vyzera, ze tych fyzikov na tychto internetoch mame dost vela, zrejme sa k nim aj ty radis a objasnis nam neznajucim v com tkvie je ojeb napriklad tejto 'verifikacie vyskumnikmi 3tej strany'. mne to na povrchu vyzeralo celkom doveryhodne. do hlbky som nesiel a fyzike nerozumiem.

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1. pan andrea rossi je ojebavac ktory za svoje ojeby sedel vo vazeni.
2. "verifikacia" "vyskumnikmi" "tretej strany" prebiehala za jeho ucasti a pocas nej so systemom manipuloval. inak napisali vselico, ale nevyzeralo to ako verifikacia, skor reklamny letak s kopou zahmlievania.
3. system bol pocas celej doby zapojeny v externom zdroji elektriny, podla toho co som si tam precital.

inak fyzik nie som ani ja, ale podla toho co viem tak sme od studenej fuzie, ak je vobec mozna, o dost dalej ako od energeticky vyuzitelnej teplej, a od tej sme velmi daleko. plus teda studena fuzia tazkych prvkov je nieco ine ako fuzia vodika a pod.
myslim ze aj nefyzikovi pomoze precitat si nejake veci na tuto temu :) zacal by som s coulombovou barierou a pravdepodobnostou tuneloveho efektu pri relativne normalnej teplote/tlaku.

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1) ad hominem
2) fascinujuce ako do toho vsetkeho okamzite "vidis"
3) system produkoval viac ako bol jeho prikon, podla toho co som si tam precital

studena fuzia je samozrejme mozna a bude realizovana v priebehu max. 2-3 generacii napr. tymi, ktori sa rozhodnu ju na mikro ci nano urovni realizovat do-seba-vzajomne-vnorenymi Hobermanovymi sferami https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoberman_sphere

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LOL, to co je za formulaciu ta posledna veta? Keby si napisal, ze "hadas" alebo ze si "myslis", tak nic nepoviem...ale "bude"? Ty si sem prisiel z buducnosti, alebo odkial tolka sebaistota ohladom tohto proroctva? Mne sa zda, ze trepes...

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Niesom si isty ci mam chut investovat zvysny cas mojho zivota do debat o epistemologii s ludmi ktory maju problem rozlisit geometriu od proroctiev.

Ale mozno aj hej, marsala a spiona si stale rad zahram a moja pozvanka do Berlina stale plati.

D.

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"ad hominem"

-- Nie. Premisa ohladne osobnosti nie je v tomto pripade irelevantna.
-- Ide o cloveka, ktory v minulosti opakovane klamal a zavadzal v ramci svojich vedeckych objavov, takze je celkom dobre mozne pochyboval o jeho uprimnosti aj teraz.

"studena fuzia je samozrejme mozna a bude realizovana v priebehu max. 2-3 generacii"

-- Ktora chemicka substancia nam sprostredkovala toto proroctvo? ;)

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studena fuzia je samozrejme mozna a bude realizovana v priebehu max. 2-3 generacii napr. tymi, ktori sa rozhodnu ju na mikro ci nano ...

fascinujuce ako do toho vsetkeho okamzite "vidis"

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http://cloudatlas.wikia.com/wiki/Prescients

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asi omyl? Alebo ako to suvisi s temou?

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Videním nenazývame znalosť možností o ktorých tvrdíme že nikdy nenastanú.

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The fusion of two nuclei with lower masses than iron (which, along with nickel, has the largest binding energy per nucleon) generally releases energy, while the fusion of nuclei heavier than iron absorbs energy.

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taak urcite...

gramatika? huh, what?

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splni to ciel; kupi ich google a ...