Re[4]: 01.02.2011-21:18:57 :: Something smarter than us is going to emerge


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honeypoty vravia ze je to cisty copypaste vysledkov. co sa tyka googlu, necenzuruje vysledky vyhladavania, vypina google instant pre niektore slova, co je sice smiesne, ale de-facto ta to do vacsej miery neobmedzuje. uvidime co poriesi larry page, verim ze na vela veci nema taky "business" nazor ako eric.

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aj cenzuruje :)
"In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page."

btw, bing sa k tomu vyjadril uz vcera na blogu

edit: no cital som aj vyjadrenie google a teda nehovoria nic o kradnuti vysledkov a zaroven si seru do huby :)

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As we see it, this experiment confirms our suspicion that Bing is using some combination of:
Internet Explorer 8, which can send data to Microsoft via its Suggested Sites feature
the Bing Toolbar, which can send data via Microsoft’s Customer Experience Improvement Program
or possibly some other means to send data to Bing on what people search for on Google and the Google search results they click. Those results from Google are then more likely to show up on Bing. Put another way, some Bing results increasingly look like an incomplete, stale version of Google results—a cheap imitation.
dufam ze nechces tahat za slovicka, kopirovanie vysledkov, kradnutie vysledkov, what's the fucking difference?

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nejde o slovicka - nekradli vysledky z google, ale trackovali pohyb uzivatelov
stranka A -> stranka B
tyzden to robilo 20 zamestnancov google a DOBROVOLNE tieto data posielali bingu
bing nepoznal ziadnu stranku na divny vyraz A a uzivatelia mu povedali, ze ta stranka B je relevantna. to je vsetko.

google si zbiera to iste cez svoje google toolbary. mozno teraz tomu nekladu taku vahu ako volakedy, ale urcite to hojne vyuzivali. tak isto maju nekonecne mnozstva informacii o pohybe uzivatelov z klasickych vyhladavani, google analytics, gmailu, ...
proste na tom nevidim nic zle a to, ze sa google tvari ako sa tvari mi pripada komicke.

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podla tych blogov tie vyrazili skusili hladat -> nic, po tyzdni -> bingo...

ako moze bing dojst na to, ktora stranka je za tym nahodnym slovom ak nie z googlu?

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cital si ten blog, alebo to co som napisal vyssie?

We gave 20 of our engineers laptops with a fresh install of Microsoft Windows running Internet Explorer 8 with Bing Toolbar installed. As part of the install process, we opted in to the “Suggested Sites” feature of IE8, and we accepted the default options for the Bing Toolbar.

We asked these engineers to enter the synthetic queries into the search box on the Google home page, and click on the results, i.e., the results we inserted.

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hej, cize ked v IE8 nieco v nejakom vyhladavaci vyhladas, kliknes na vysledok tak IE8 to posle bingu ako relevantny link -> co na tom nie je kradnutie vysledkov?

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No to nie je jenoznacne, presne to iste robi aj google toolbar. Keby bol bing trhova jednotka a google dvojka, tak by bola situacia presne opacna. Google by "kradol" vysledky bingu. Z toho vyplyva ze jedina chyba microsoftu v tomto pripade je to ze nie su jednotka.

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nic. je to trackovanie pohybu, ktore useri dobrovolne zapli. tak isto mohli spravi dve staticke html, na ne klikat a bing by sa to naucil (akurat by to zrejme muselo byt na high-rank domene). a som si 100% isty, ze to iste robi google pri zohladnovani ranku a relevantnosti

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cize relevanciu dokazu zobrat iba z jednej veliciny. mne to pride moc slabe na to aby to vyhladavac ukazal...

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ide o slova ku ktorym inak nepozna ziadne vysledky. teda aj takato slaba vec ich dostane na prve miesto

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zoberme si cechy kde seznam videol pred googlom, takze ked juzri hladali na sezname google robil to iste ako majkrofost..

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vidis, takto som sa na to nepozeral.