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ani sa nedivim. oni proti beznym nemeckym tankom neboli zle (PZ III & IV)
onehdy ma IRL strasne nasral jeden lavicak, ked sme sa hadlai o pomoci USA a kde by asi europa skoncila, nebyt us..
mi tam daval pocty produkcie sovietskych tankov z roku 45(co si on neuvedomoval) tak som ho musel poopravit :)
"From 1941 and onwards, the RKKA used extensive numbers of Lend-Lease tanks received from the USA, Canada and Great Britain. Approximately 22.800 AFVs (tanky) were sent to the Soviet Union between June 22nd of 1941 to 30th of April 1944, and almost 2.000 of these were lost at sea.
In addition, the Russians got about 351.700 trucks and 78.000 Jeeps from the USA.
During 1941, 487 Matilda, Valentine and Tetrarch tanks were received from Great Britain, and 182 M3A1 "Stuart", and M3 Lee medium tanks were received from the USA. In 1942, a further 2.487 tanks were received from the UK, and 3.023 tanks from the USA. The first units equipped with Valentines and Matilda IIs fought in the Staraya Russia and Valdai areas in the winter of 1941/42. Usually tank units were allotted a single type of Lend-Lease tanks to simplify logistics. An example was the 38th Tank Brigade which in 1942 had 30 Matilda II tanks, and 16 T-60 light tanks. In 1944 and 1945, the American M4A2 were the highest appreciated Lend/Lease tank, and some tank corps and mechanized corps were entirely equipped with this type. In early 1945 the 1st Guards Mechanized Corps were equipped with Shermans in all of its tank units."
"This means that on December 20, 1941, 46 British tanks were employed on the Moscow sector, whereas on January 1, 1942, this number had increased to 51 tanks.
Hill, however, claims that at the end of November there were only 205 heavy and medium Soviet-built tanks in front of Moscow. At the same time, he states that 30-40% of the heavy and medium tank park available to Soviet forces on this same sector were British-built. This would mean roughly in excess of 70 British-built tanks in Soviet units on December, 1st. Strange, considering that both Moshchanskiy and Baryartinskiy have only 1 Soviet front line formation having British tanks on that date and possessing no more than 12 in number, with several of them broken down. It does not help that Hill merely states "available statistics" and "researchers estimate" without showing those statistics or naming those researchers. Nor does he provide any concrete breakdown of numbers within the units he specifies."
onehdy ma IRL strasne nasral jeden lavicak, ked sme sa hadlai o pomoci USA a kde by asi europa skoncila, nebyt us..
mi tam daval pocty produkcie sovietskych tankov z roku 45(co si on neuvedomoval) tak som ho musel poopravit :)
"From 1941 and onwards, the RKKA used extensive numbers of Lend-Lease tanks received from the USA, Canada and Great Britain. Approximately 22.800 AFVs (tanky) were sent to the Soviet Union between June 22nd of 1941 to 30th of April 1944, and almost 2.000 of these were lost at sea.
In addition, the Russians got about 351.700 trucks and 78.000 Jeeps from the USA.
During 1941, 487 Matilda, Valentine and Tetrarch tanks were received from Great Britain, and 182 M3A1 "Stuart", and M3 Lee medium tanks were received from the USA. In 1942, a further 2.487 tanks were received from the UK, and 3.023 tanks from the USA. The first units equipped with Valentines and Matilda IIs fought in the Staraya Russia and Valdai areas in the winter of 1941/42. Usually tank units were allotted a single type of Lend-Lease tanks to simplify logistics. An example was the 38th Tank Brigade which in 1942 had 30 Matilda II tanks, and 16 T-60 light tanks. In 1944 and 1945, the American M4A2 were the highest appreciated Lend/Lease tank, and some tank corps and mechanized corps were entirely equipped with this type. In early 1945 the 1st Guards Mechanized Corps were equipped with Shermans in all of its tank units."
"This means that on December 20, 1941, 46 British tanks were employed on the Moscow sector, whereas on January 1, 1942, this number had increased to 51 tanks.
Hill, however, claims that at the end of November there were only 205 heavy and medium Soviet-built tanks in front of Moscow. At the same time, he states that 30-40% of the heavy and medium tank park available to Soviet forces on this same sector were British-built. This would mean roughly in excess of 70 British-built tanks in Soviet units on December, 1st. Strange, considering that both Moshchanskiy and Baryartinskiy have only 1 Soviet front line formation having British tanks on that date and possessing no more than 12 in number, with several of them broken down. It does not help that Hill merely states "available statistics" and "researchers estimate" without showing those statistics or naming those researchers. Nor does he provide any concrete breakdown of numbers within the units he specifies."