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Prosim, spievajte mahamantru:

Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare

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Ich Bozska Vysost Sri Sri Radha Krsna

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Sri Panca tattva

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zakladatel a zasvacujuci duchovny majster Hare Krsna hnutia Jeho Bozska Milost A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

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Ak chcete pokecat o Krsnovi individualne, kontaktujte pedramicha cez MSn chat program : pedromicho@hotmail.com alebo ICQ Number : 218-802-326

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hare krsna,
pred 10timi rokmi som zalozil toto forumco, dlho som tu nebol a tak sa po 1000 rokoch opat hlasim s novinkami. Vo Vinodoli pre Nitre sme otovrili Krsnov chram, kde mozete vrtulnikom pristat a pokecat si s nami live. Tutu su fotky so sllavnostneho otvorenia:
http://dontbelievephoto.blogspot.sk/2015/03/dvere-do-rozmeru-blazenosti-otvorenia.html

a tuto mame Facebukacku stranku:
http://www.facebook.com/bfasrama

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vyzera ze facebook vam tam detekoval nejake svastiky.]

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dnes som si velkonocne prave spomenul :) preklad je uz hotovy?

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anoo, knihy už máme Haribol

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http://www.harekrishnamontreal.com/

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to je vončo! :) Hare Krsna! Jaya Srila Prabhupada!

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*THUMBS_UP* ;))

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100 odchylek rtvikismu (E-book)

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a toto poznas?

Tamal Krsna Goswami, December 3, 1980, Topanga Canyon Pyramid House:

Actually, Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He didn't appoint eleven gurus. He appointed eleven ritviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of ritviks as the appointment of gurus.

What actually happened, I'll explain. I explained it, but the interpretation is wrong. What actually happened was that Prabhupada mentioned that he might be appointing some ritviks, so the GBC met for various reasons and they went to Prabhupada - five or six of us. We asked him, "Srila Prabhupada, after your departure, if we accept disciples, whose disciples will they be, your disciples or mine?" Later on there was a piled-up list for people to get initiated, and it was jammed-up. I said, "Srila Prabhupada, you once mentioned about ritviks. I don't know what to do. We don't want to approach you, but there's hundreds of devotees named, and I'm just holding all the letters. I don't know what you want to do."

So Prabhupada said, "All right. I will appoint so many...," and he started to name them and he did name them. He made it very clear that they're his disciples. At that point it was very clear in my mind that they were his disciples. Later on I asked him two questions: 1) What about Brahmananda Swami? I asked him this because I happened to have an affection for Brahmananda Swami. I don't know, I asked him because somehow he's...I asked him, whatever. So Prabhupada said, "No, not unless he's qualified." Before I got ready to type the letter, I asked him: 2) "Srila Prabhupada, is this all or do you want to add more?" He said, "As is necessary, others may be added."

Now I understand that what he did was very clear. He was physically incapable of performing the function of initiation physically; therefore, he appointed officiating priests to initiate on his behalf. He appointed eleven and he said very clearly, "Whoever is nearest, he can initiate." This is a very important point, because when it comes to initiating if it isn't whoever is nearest, it's wherever your heart goes. Who repose your faith on, you take initiation from him but when it's officiating, it's whoever is nearest, and he was very clear. He named them. They were spread out all over the world, and he said, "Whoever you're nearest, you just approach that person, and they'll check you out. Then, on my behalf, they'll initiate." It's not a question that you repose your faith in that person - nothing.

That's a function for the guru."In order for me to manage this movement," Prabhupada said, "I have to form a GBC and I will appoint the following people. In order to continue the process of people joining our movement and getting initiated, I have to appoint some priests to help me because just like I cannot physically manage everyone myself, I physically cannot initiate everyone myself." And that's all that it was, and it was never any more than that. If it had been more than that, you can bet your bottom dollar that Prabhupada would have spoken for days and hours and weeks on end about how to set up this thing with the gurus, but he didn't because he already had said it a million times. He said, "My guru-maharaja did not appoint anyone. It's by qualification."

We made a great mistake. After Prabhupada's departure, what is the position of these eleven people? Obviously, Srila Prabhupada felt that of all the people, these people are particularly qualified. So it stands to reason that after Prabhupada's departure, they would go on, if they so desired, to initiate.

Actually a sannyasi, for example, is considered to be spiritual master of the varnas and ashramas. The brahmana is considered to be the spiritual master also. Prabhupada showed that it's not just sannyasis. He named two people who were grhasthas, who could at least be ritviks, showing that they were equal to any sannyasi. So anyone who is spiritually qualified - it's always been understood that you cannot accept disciples in the presence of your guru, but when the guru disappears, you can accept disciples if you're qualified and someone can repose their faith. Of course, they should be fully appraised at how to distinguish who is a proper guru. But if you're a proper guru, and your guru is no longer present, that is your right. It's like a man can procreate.

Similarly, it is a disciple's duty to push forward. He may decide, "I don't want to take disciples. I want to assist so-and-so." He has that right. But if he feels the inspiration from within and he has the qualifications, and he realizes what it means to take disciples, that it is a heavy responsibility, and if someone reposes their [faith] in him, then he should go ahead and do that.

Unfortunately, the GBC did not recognize this point. They immediately sad these eleven people are the selected gurus. I can say definitely for myself, and for which I humbly beg forgiveness from everybody, that there was definitely some degree of trying to control. There's a degree of this in most GBC's parts, in most temple president's parts. This is the conditioned nature, and it came out in the highest position of all. "Guru, oh wonderful. Now I'm a guru, and there's only eleven of us." Tthis is what led us into this pitfall. The GBC who weren't gurus said, "I'm next in line." This has screwed up our movement terribly. It has very much hurt our movement because it has left so many Godbrothers in a frustrated position, very, very frustrated, and it is dampening their enthusiasm, and it has held back the preaching mission.

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A co takto prilozit aj nejaky bona fide zdroj k tomu optimizmu, hm?!;o))

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tamal nie je bona fide? tak to spolu suhlasime, jaya!

inac:

Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.

Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.

Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?

Prabhupada: rtvik, yes.

GBC Meets with Srila Prabhupada -- May 28, 1977, Vrndavana

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Pramen, z ktoreho cerpas je akiste bezodny.;))

Vdaka za osviezenie.

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ktora odchylka sa ti paci najviac?

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haluze

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hare
laicka otazka.
ako ma vyzerat cesta za krisnom , od piatich rokov sa ma zacat o nom ucit/akym sposobom, citanim eposov a spevom mantry?/ potom rodina, odchod od deti, odchod od manzelky, odchod od seba "
tak som niekde vsimol ze pise Srila Prabhupada/dufam ze sa nemylim/
a este k nemu k Srila Prabhupada je guru povazovany za najcistejsieho, alebo take cosi, ci ako?

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dojdi, a mozeme podebatit do hlbky... medzitym mozes citat original Prabhupadovu Gitu na www.asitis.com a samozrejme SPIEVAJ HARE KRSNA! :)

tieto iskconske stranky by som velmi neriesil... sama apa-siddhanta...

Haribol!

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GAURANGA!!

Na nizsieuvedenych linkoch najdes naozaj fundovane odpovede na spomenute otazky.
http://harekrsna.cz/cvs/2010/srila_bhaktividjapurna_svami_vedska_kultura
http://harekrsna.cz/cvs/2007/sri_srimad_c_bhaktivedanta_svami_prabhupada

Prajem dobru chut!!

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Hare Krsna!!

Niekto z oddanych situovany v Mayapure, pls?!?

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a co tam?
dufam ze nemas chut na Jayapatakovu caranamrtu... :)

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Velmi rad by som sa tam vratil & opustil telo...

P.S.: Vopred vdaka!!;PP

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Haribol!
hmm.. Mayapur, Navadvip sa nelisi od Vrndavanu, a hovori sa, ze kto opusti svoje telo na tychto miestach, tak ze sa vracia naspat ku Krsnovi.. :) ale take jednoduche to urcite nebude. prave som v Gite cital: "And whoever, at the time of death, quits this body, remembering Me alone, at once attains to My nature. Of this there is no doubt." (Bg. 8.5)
teda na navrat ku Krsnovi nestaci byt lokalizovany na nejakom konkretnom mieste, hoci je to aj Vrndavan, alebo Mayapur , ale co rozhoduje je stav mysle v ktorom toto telo clovek opusta. v okamihu smrti je stav mysle sumou a manifestaciou mentality, ktoru ziva bytost pestuje pocas zivota. mysel je v okamihu smrti velmi rozrusena a fixovat ju na Pana Krsnu, Jeho meno, podobu, vlastnosti, cinnosti alebo cisteho oddaneho (Srilu Prabhupadu) si vyzaduje trening a zamestnanie v oddanej sluzbe. to znamena v nacuvani (aj v citani), v ospevovani - spievani Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare / Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, rozpravani o Krsnovi, v spominani atd. (dalsich 6 procesov)... cela veda :)
ci to beries tak technickejsie? ze opustit tam telo? domyslel som si, ze si tam uz bol, mohol by si mi o tom nieco napisat... len tak, kolko by sa ti chcelo... ja inac neviem o nikom... tu si trosku praktizujem, trosku studujem...trosku chantujem.
vopred vdaka :)
Hare Krsna!

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All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!

Naozaj prijemne potesil tvoj "purport", heh. Vdaka!!
Nie je to vsak ani take zlozite za predpokladu, ze "celu tu vedu" zacnes svedomito uplatnovat v kazdodennej praxi (... alebo sa mylim?!;DD).

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http://goloka.jimdo.com

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haribol :) vie mi niekto povedat kde si na slovensku mozem kupit ... popripade objednat na dobierku japamálu, japa vrecusko, kunti-malu .... prosim nechcem riesit prevody na ucet do ciech pretoze su vysoke poplatky za odpoved VOPRED DAKUJEM

... chant hare krishna and be happy :)

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Hare Krsna
myslim ze v govindach to maju
aspon v kosiciach, ked si blizko a v blave myslim tiez by mali mat
kamos zohnal
Haribol :)

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kosicka govinda je zavreta do 2.9 a slubili mi z novej ekacakry tak dufam ze dojde :)
hare krishna

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mas?
chantujes? :)

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Definitivne!!

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ja som si vyrobil vlastnu :)

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