Re[2]: Deti počas pandémie. :: Something smarter than us is going to emerge


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na slovensku nic neriesi povinna vakcinacia od 50 rokov. jednoducho preto, ze jednotlive triedy a skoly budu vyhlasovat "korona prazdniny" 5x do roka + do toho karantenizovane triedy aspon 10x do roka. spolu to bude ako taky jeden spolocny lockdown.

virus sa siri medzi detmi proste, su chrontave a nasledky maju vsetci aj ich rodicia (ktori su mimochodom <50 rokov). ockovanie 50+ ako navrhujes je len taka somarina na potlacenie nejakych levelov nastavenych touto vladou (napriklad pocet hospitalizovanych) ale vobec to neriesi koren problemu a ten je, ze dominantne sa virus siri a mutuje cez deti. dokonca si dovolim tvrdit, ze v praxi ak by bola vsetka dospela cast populacie kompletne imunna, tak si to tie deti odskacu este viac, lebo sa kvoli "ich lahkym soplikom" nebude spolocnost akokolvek obmedzovat a nebude sa proti korone bojovat - nasledkom coho stupne pocet dni, kedy budu jednotlive ziacke kolektivy zatvorene kvoli karantene/prazdninam.

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Na Slovensku nerieši, ale v iných krajinách áno? Alebo mi niečo ušlo a aj preočkované krajiny majú nejaký zásadný problém s otvorenými školami?

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stavias to na vode.

potrebujeme ziskat kolektivnu imunitu aby sme potlacili pandemiu, co je na tom tak zlozite.

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50+ nie je kolektivna imunita ale. kolektivna imunita je 95% vsetkeho obyvatelstva vratane deti.

zaockovanim 50+ iba odlahcis nemocnice, ale v slovenskych realiach to zaroven aj znamena teda uvolnenie restrikcii a volne sirenie virusu v ostatnej populacii.
cize ak chces ziskat kolektivnu imunitu, tymto sposobom ju neziskas.

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ukaz mi pls jednu krajinu ktora dosiahla kolektivnu imunitu a ukaz mi pls odkial mas 95%, dak

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napr: https://vaccination-info.eu/sk/ockovanie/prinosy-ockovania-pre-spolocnost
mmr sa napr presunulo preockovanie deti, pretoze ta zaockovanost klesa a imunita po prvej davke nemusi vydrzat dostatocne dlho.

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zly priklad - osypky=/=covid

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ano viem, ze osypky nie su covid
https://www.slovenskoproticovidu.sk/sk/vsetko-o-ockovani/bezpecnost-a-ucinost/1-preco-je-ockovanie-najlepsia-cesta-ako-sa-zbavit-covidu-19
spoko?

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Keď je človek zaočkovaný, je menej pravdepodobné, že by mohol preniesť infekčnú chorobu na iné osoby.

urcite?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext?s=08#%20

Naopak, pri vakcínach proti Covidu nie je dôvod na obavu z dlhodobých vedľajších účinkov. Dlhodobé účinky sú pri vakcínach vo všeobecnosti raritné.

lol
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

V rozsiahlych klinických skúškach pred schválením neboli po podaní vakcíny mRNA hlásené žiadne komplikácie, ako sú závažné autoimunitné reakcie alebo vážne neurologické komplikácie súvisiace s očkovaním.

lol, v tych pochybnych klinickych skuskach kde control group po 3 mesiacoch radsej zaockovali? :D
a co po schvaleni? (guillan-barre?)
tebe naozaj nevadi ze budes pravidelne chodit na vcelicku ktora "funguje" ~6 mesiacov?

takze nie, nespoko

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Keď je človek zaočkovaný, je menej pravdepodobné, že by mohol preniesť infekčnú chorobu na iné osoby.
> urcite?
ano, urcite:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2786040
menuje (aj s citaciami) asi 10 dovodov preco, napr.
viral loads in those who are vaccinated decline more rapidly, and the virus that they shed is less likely to be culture-positive than virus shed by unvaccinated individuals

jj pochybnych
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-the-bmj/

"kde control group po 3 mesiacoch radsej zaockovali? :D" ale nevrav? 2/3 phase zacala v july 2020, control sa mohla ockovat ked na nich dosiel rad. V akejzeto krajine sa ockovalo oktobri 2020? :D

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>https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2786040
>2021

>Vaccination had no impact on self-reported disease severity, viral load, or duration if positivity for those infected with Omicron. https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(23)00547-9/pdf
>2023

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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urcite urcite? :))

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ano, urcite.

meanwhile profesor epidemiologie bugy: " tebe naozaj nevadi ze budes pravidelne chodit na vcelicku ktora "funguje" ~6 mesiacov?"

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kolkokrat si bol?
meanwhile IRL
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/04/covid-vaccines-may-have-helped-fuel-rise-in-excess-deaths/

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3,6,23.. nieje to jedno? Control neexistuje a completion je maj 23. Enjoy your 5 boosters..

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bugy zaklame
> "nieje to jedno?"
ok :D

"nieje to jedno?"
no tebe hej, rovnako ako hociake fakty o covide a vakcinach. ako obvykle. len by si uz mohol prestat otravovat ostatnych so svojimi halucinaciami ked to nevies moc rozlisovat.

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peak NPC cope, point ostava

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ktory point? kde hodnotis kvalitu studie, linknem ti clanok ktory to kritiku rozjebe na padrt, a ty sa dalej tvaris ze nic? :D

alebo point na ktory ked som sa ta minule pytal ze ako dlho tie studie mali bezat, tak si nic nenapisal? (200 rokov, ze?) Alebo point, ze si double blind studiu ved predsa mozes spravit aj teraz ked chces, aku velku a dlhu chces? Co ti brani? Alebo point, ze vlastne nemas nic co by akoze z takej studie malo byt vidiet lebo vsetko vidime na populacnej urovni? Ale to je jedno :)

Co ma zaujima je, ze preco si myslis, ze ja budem po styroch boostroch a prekonanom covide potrebovat piaty booster, ale tebe len po prekonanom covide vydrzi imunita navzdy :D

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od zaciatku pisem maj 2023 ale to ze si slepy/ignorant nie je moj problem.
point je ze control group efektivne neexistuje a NPCcka ako ty stoja v rade na tretiu davku behom 12 mesiacov lebo tak dobre to funguje.. booster budes potrebovat lebo ta nepustia na dovolenku v lepsom pripade do roboty v horsom ofc :))

jj, na populacnej urovni vidime padat sportovcov, pilotov v zvysenej miere (problem so zrazanlivostou maybe?), tiez vidime pokokot myokarditidy a media uz pre istotu vymysleli postpandemic stress disorder ktory je akoze zodpovedny za odhadom 300,000 novych srdciarov v UK dalsi rok..

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"na populacnej urovni vidime padat sportovcov, pilotov v zvysenej miere"

poprosim studiu ak nejaku mas namiesto dojmologie

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studiu asi neuvidis este ale namatkovo z medii
Filip Ingebrigsten, 28, Norwegian runner suffers loss of form: https://norwaytoday.info/sport/filip-ingebrigtsen-is-back-in-training-after-experiencing-long-corona-vaccination-side-effects/

Avi Barot, 29, Saurashtra cricketer suffers cardiac arrest, passes away: https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/young-saurashtra-cricket-player-avi-barot-dies-after-suffering-cardiac-arrest/article37015873.ece

Cienna Knowles, 19, equestrian star hospitalized due to blood clots: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/teen-equestrian-star-cienna-knowles-hospitalised-with-blood-clots-after-pfizer-vaccine/news-story/286e7cd42e896b091e4b257322296a05

Tevita Bryce, 28, Montclair rugby player suffers major heart attack and collapses during game: https://www.montclairlocal.news/2021/10/27/28-year-old-montclair-rugby-team-player-collapsed-on-field-medical-bills-are-mounting/

Meghan Roth, 34, runner collapses during Boston marathon due to cardiac episode: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/10/27/runner-collapses-during-boston-marathon/

Daniel Brito, 23, Philadelphia baseman collapses on pitch during game due to stroke: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/phillies/2021/08/03/phillies-minor-leaguer-daniel-brito-stable-after-collapsing-field/5476645001/

Quandarius Wilburn, 19, Virginia Freshman collapsed during preseason training and passes away: https://sports.yahoo.com/virginia-union-university-student-dies-after-collapsing-during-football-practice-174930563.html

Ava Azzopardi, 14, Runaway Bay soccer player collapses and suffers cardiac arrest in the under-14/15s grand final: https://7news.com.au/sport/soccer/gold-coast-soccer-community-rallies-around-girl-14-after-suffering-heart-attack-on-field-c-4269085.amp

Florian Dagoury, 34, World Record holder diagnosed with myocarditis post Pfizer: https://lemediaen442.fr/florian-dagoury-recordman-du-monde-dapnee-diagnostique-avec-une-myocardite-et-une-pericardite-apres-sa-vaccination-pfizer/

John Stokes, 21, athlete at Tennessee Uni hospitalized with heart inflammation: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/student-athlete-john-stokes-myocarditis-covid-vaccine-002451374.html?guccounter=1

Jake Ehlinger, 20, found dead - cause unknown: https://usdaynews.com/celebrities/celebrity-death/sam-ehlinger-brother-death-cause/

Jeremy Chardy, 34, tennis pro cannot train or play after vaccine: https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Tennis_Interviews/102836/jeremy-chardy-i-regret-getting-vaccinated-i-have-series-of-problems-now/

Francesca Marcon, 38, volleybal professional can’t play, has pericarditis post vaccine: https://www.lapressa.it/notiziario/sport/la-campionessa-di-volley-ho-una-pericardite-post-vaccino

Yusuke Kinoshita, 27, baseball pro dies 7 weeks post vaccine: https://thecovidworld.com/yusuke-kinoshita-27-year-old-japanese-professional-baseball-player-dies-7-weeks-after-covid-19-vaccine/

Alex Stalock, 34, NHL Oilers goalie out for the season due to heart condition: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-oilers-goalie-alex-stalock-miss-entire-season-with-heart-condition-covid-19-related-191817673.html

Ceylin Alvarado, 23, pro cyclists out for season due to blood complications: https://www.nu.nl/sport-overig/6160296/veldrijdster-alvarado-voorlopig-niet-in-actie-door-verstoord-bloedbeeld.html

Ewan Fraser, 30, Glasgow hockey player suffered cardiac arrest, passes away: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/7832060/glasgow-hockey-player-died-collapse-life/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

David Jenkins, 31, Olympic silver medalist diver unexpectedly passes away: https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/12/david-jenkins-dead-at-31-tributes-pour-in-for-team-gb-olympic-diving-coach-15404658/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Paul Zisper, 27, Munich basketball pro, has emergency surgery after brain hemorrhage related to J and J: https://www.fr.de/sport/drama-um-zipser-90801217.html

Roy Butler, 23, Irish footballer Watford FC dies after Jansen: https://twitter.com/NewsForAllIre/status/1428301909715296263?s=20 (embed)

Dylan Rich, 19, FA Youth Cup - player suffered sudden cardiac arrest on the field, passes away: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-58496077

Vinny Curry, 33, out for season due to blood clots: https://nypost.com/2021/08/25/jets-vinny-curry-out-after-rare-blood-disorder-diagnosis/

Cameron Dale, 29, Australian sailor dies after catastrophic stroke: https://7news.com.au/sport/sailing/australian-sailor-jessica-watson-reveals-sudden-death-of-partner-cameron-dale-c-3845979

Two young Columbia High school footballers die: https://www.wistv.com/2021/09/04/he-would-love-it-donadrian-robinsons-family-reacts-tribute-wj-keenan-high-school/?outputType=apps

Bollywood’s star, 40, dies following heart attack https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9950385/Indian-TV-film-star-Siddharth-Shukla-40-dies-heart-attack.html#reader-comments

Tom Felton, 34, collapses during golf game: https://bbc.in/3i4YpI5

Francis Perron, 25, Ottawa footballer dies after game: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/usports-ottawa-gee-gees-francis-perron-dies-1.6182332

Parys Haralson, 37, former Saints line backer dies: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/09/13/parys-haralson-former-49-ers-and-saints-lb-dies-37/8328669002/

Jimmy Hayes, 31, former Bruins player unexpectedly dies: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/23/sports/jimmy-hayes-former-bruin-boston-college-hockey-champ-dies-31/

Kjeld Nuis, 31, Dutch professional skater admitted to hospital with inflamed heart: https://www.rtlboulevard.nl/entertainment/news/artikel/5243606/kjeld-nuis-vaccinatie-ziek-update

Britain's Jack Draper, 19, collapses at Miami Open: [YouTube] Tennis prodigy Jack Draper collapses at Miami Open | New York Post (embed)

Mirko Kido, 36, Olympic gold medalist dies of heart attack during game: https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/indonesian-doubles-star-kido-dies-heart-attack-36-2021-06-14/

Ghanaian referee collapses during AFCON Match: [YouTube] Ghanaian referee collapses during AFCON Match • Prez Nana Addo gifted Real Madrid jersey (embed)

Referee Bert Smith collapses on court due to blood clot during Gonzaga-USC men's Elite Eight game: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31222546/referee-bert-smith-says-blood-clot-lung-caused-fall-ncaa-tourney

Josh Downie, 24, cricketer dies after heart attack at practice: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-57058626

Giuseppe Perrino, 29, ex-Parma footballer dies at memorial match after collapsing https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15151824/giuseppe-perrino-dead-29-parma-brother/

Raymond van Barneveld collapses and receives paramedic attention during PDC Championship: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/darts/pdc-players-championship-8-suspended-23759939

Devaraj Anchan, 33, volleyball player collapses during game, dies: https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Mangalore/volleyball-player-collapses-during-game-dies/article34185430.ece

Garissone Innocent, 20, fell unconscious due to abnormal electrical impulse in heart during game: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13901939/goalkeepers-rushed-hospital-collapsing/

Ethan Jovani Trejo, 16-year-old soccer player, collapsed on the field during training: https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/06/25/teen-dies-after-medical-incident-princeton-high-school-field/5344293001/

Samuel Kalu, 24, Bordeaux star collapses minutes into football game: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58228778

Helen Edwards, referee taken off court during World Cup qualifier due to heart issues
(September 21st, 2021, survived, undiagnosed heart complications)
(https://news.in-24.com/news/172362.html)

- Dimitri Lienard, 33, FC Strasbourg midfielder collapses during game
(September 13th, 2021, survived, undiagnosed heart complications)
(https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2021/reassuring-new-for-strasbourgs-dimitri-lienard-after-collapse/)

- Sergio Aguero, 33, Barecelona star striker admitted to hospital after match
(October 31st, 2021, survived, undiagnosed heart complications)
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/31/football/sergio-aguero-barcelona-chest-pain-spt-intl/index.html

Emil Palsson, 28, Sognal midfielder collapses during game
(November 2nd, 2021, survived, cardiac arrest)
(https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59133898)

- Antoine Méchin, 31, French triathlete
(September 13th, 2021, survived, pulmonary embolism)
(https://lemediaen442.fr/le-triathlete-antoine-mechin-met-un-terme-a-sa-saison-a-cause-du-vaccin-moderna/)

- Luis Ojeda, 20, Argentine football player unexpectedly passes away
(???, deceased. ???)

[(Some additional injuries that I don't have dates for, but are still within the general timeframe as far as I'm aware.)]

Two West Indies Players – Chinelle Henry, Chedean Nation Collapse on Field: https://www.india.com/sports/cricket-two-west-indies-players-chinelle-henry-chedean-nation-collapse-on-field-during-2nd-t20i-against-pakistan-women-watch-video-4785827/

Dembele, 29, Atletico Madrid striker collapses in training, requires medical attention [YouTube] Moussa Dembele collapsed during training (embed)

Alex Apolinario, 24, Brazilian soccer player dies after collapsing on pitch during match: https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/brazilian-soccer-player-alex-apolinario-dies-after-collapsing-on-pitch-during-match-in-portugal/

"Doctors have been unable to save a hockey player who suddenly collapsed on the ice during a game in Slovakia.
Boris Sadecki was playing for the Bratislava Capitals, of the Ice HL, when he fell to the floor during a match against the Dornbirn Bulldogs on October 29.
Medics are said to have spent several minutes attending to the 24-year-old, resuscitating him before transporting him to hospital, where he had spent 11 days before his passing was announced,
(October 29th, 2021, deceased, cardiac arrest)
(https://www.rt.com/sport/539312-bruno-sadecki-hockey-player-khl-death/)

- Abou Ali, 22, professional footballer collapses on pitch during game
(September 11th, 2021, survived, cardiac arrest)
(https://www.the-sun.com/sport/premier-league/3641685/wessam-abou-ali-vendyssel-collapse-pitch/

Fabrice NSakala, 31, Besiktas defender collapses on pitch during game
(August 22nd, 2021, survived, undisclosed)
(https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/22/fabrice-nsakala-besiktas-collapse)

- Jens De Smet, 27, footballer collapses on field, passes away of heart attack
(September 6th, 2021, deceased, cardiomyopathy)
(https://news.in-24.com/sports/soccer/160348.html)

- Jente van Genechten, 25, footballer collapses on field due to heart attack
(August 18th, 2021, survived, cardiac arrest)
(https://new.in-24.com/sport/soccer/141192.html)

- Frederic Lartillot, French footballer collapses in changing room, passes away due to heart attack after game
(???, deceased, cardiac arrest)
(???)

- Benjamin Taft, 31, German footballer collapses after game
(???, deceased, cardiac arrest)
(???)

- Rune Coghe, 18, Belgian footballer suffers cardiac arrest on pitch
(July 31st, 2021, survived, cardiac arrest)
(https://www.archyde.com/he-collapsed-in-the-middle-of-a-game/)

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diky ze si mi pomohol potvrdit point lepsie ako by som to dokazal

nemas ziadne data / studie, len zoznam clankov pozbieranych s netu

ani si ich necital, len tapetujes

a siris svoju naivnu dojmologiu :D :D :D

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neni zac, ako povies :)

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keby si naozaj chcel byt objektivny tak zoberies do uvahy ze prekonanie covidu ma stale horsie nasledky na srdce nez vakcina napriklad:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-07/heart-damage-racks-covid-survivors-a-year-after-infection-study

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FYI
https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified

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keby si chcel byt naozaj objektivny potreboval by si data ockovani vs. neockovani. ako chces rozlisit damage sposobeny covidom a potencialne vakcinou v populacii ktora je
z vacsej casti preockovana?

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linkol som ti data spred roka ked este nebola preockovania populacia

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"it is a fair assumption that very few of the cohort had even an initial vaccination and none were fully vaccinated."
This looks at outcomes till 31. August 2021. Given that those who have overcome COVID would have been encouraged to receive the vaccine anytime during those 8 months, it is very relevant to look at the effect of vaccination on survivors, if there is a difference in outcomes.

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jemu ani nedochadza ze existuje scenar ze prekonas covid a miernymi priznakmi a vytvori ti zrazeniny a po case z nich mas zdravotne komplikacie.. ale kedze si sa medzitym ockoval tak jasne ze za to moze vakcina

proste pan profesor dojmologie.

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s existenciou roznych scenarov mas problem ty, nie ja.. a kludne stavaj panacikov dalej, som rad ked sa deti tesia

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ale ved neplac

staci ked zhrnacku clankov co si necital a nasiel ju niekde na nete prestanes vydavat za nejaky relevantny argument

je to na smiech

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https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified
oops

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Takze umrtia x sportovcov su uplne normalne a netreba za tym nic hladat, nedajboze sa zamyslat.. ok, aj tak sa da..

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