timeline of chinese lies :: Remember, remember, the velvet November


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https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/?fbclid=IwAR3P46pspVwho3wMvkNpOnR_-7BCtYZX4xkStKFgeALLNRrmX4U8_cXEQLk

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akoze... hned uplne prva vec co tam maju je uplny fail:

"December 6: According to a study in The Lancet, the symptom onset date of the first patient identified was “Dec 1, 2019 . . . 5 days after illness onset, his wife, a 53-year-old woman who had no known history of exposure to the market, also presented with pneumonia and was hospitalized in the isolation ward.” "

A co pise ten Lancet clanok co cituju:
"The symptom onset date of the first patient identified was Dec 1, 2019. None of his family members developed fever or any respiratory symptoms. No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases. The first fatal case, who had continuous exposure to the market, was admitted to hospital because of a 7-day history of fever, cough, and dyspnoea. 5 days after illness onset, his wife, a 53-year-old woman who had no known history of exposure to the market, also presented with pneumonia and was hospitalised in the isolation ward."

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Nie prekvapivo, ten nationalreview clanok pokracuje vetou "In other words, as early as the second week of December, Wuhan doctors were finding cases that indicated the virus was spreading from one human to another." co je samozrejme uplna misinterpretacia - lebo 'cases' nachadzali, ale cases coho to su sa zistilo az omnoho neskor.

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je to americký zdroj, asi tam majú nejaké nezrovnalosti, do podrobnosti to neriešim, ale tak čína to proste tajila kým sa dalo, to nemôžeš poprieť
sú tam aj iné nezrvonalosti v tom článku pls ?

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vela americkych zdrojov ma teraz brutalny bias lebo potrebuju mlzit kedze to kolosalne poj***ali.

Vacsinou necitam clanok ked uz v prvej veci klame/brutalne manipuluje, ale nahodne som skusil este jedno:

"Sometime in “Late December”: Wuhan hospitals notice “an exponential increase” in the number of cases that cannot be linked back to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, according to the New England Journal of Medicine."

Co hovori New England Journal of Medicine:
"The majority of the earliest cases included reported exposure to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, but there was an exponential increase in the number of nonlinked cases beginning in late December."

Cize zase totalna manipulacia, v takomto clanku je rozdiel medzi "was" a "notice" uplne klucovy.

Pointa je, ze cely ten narativ ako za to moze cina a who je uplne nahlavu - veci, co naozaj boli chybou a vieme ich potvrdit je relativne malo a boli to veci, co celkovo nemali na vyvoj veci prakticky ziadny vplyv - napr. ten virus sa siri rovnako, aj ked niekoho zatknes alebo mu zmazes whatsapp alebo co.

zo zopar dalsich chyb sa daju podozrievat, ale vacsinou nie su zdroje aby sme to vedeli rozhodnut - napr. ten pacient z 1. decembra, o ktorom sa pise v mojom predchadzajucom prispevku, tak sa afaik (verejne) nevie, kedy mu laboratorne potvrdili nCov. A ked nemas taketo informacie, nevies, ake informacie v dany cas mala exekutiva a teda sa neda hodnotit, ci ich rozhodnutie bolo primerane, alebo nie.

Bottom line je, ze to, co pise napr. WSJ v perexe: "China’s errors, dating back to the very first patients, were compounded by political leaders who dragged their feet to inform the public of the risks and to take decisive control measures." je uplny joke ked si porovnas co spravila cina a zapad.

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mňa na tomto skorej zaujalo to mlženie čínskych úradov o šírení medzi luďmi atď
podľa toho článku to totiž pekne dlho tajili
čo sa týka zatajovania informácií, o tom predsa je dosť vlogov z číny, vyjadrovlai sa k otmu aj niektorí dokotori, ktorí pak údajne zmizli atď

ja číňanov v tomto neverím by default :)

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lenze 'podla toho clanku' aj kopec inych veci, ktore su uplne picoviny. vsetci akosi zabudaju na to, ze vtedy ani neboli vyvinute standardne testovacie sady, ani sa nevedelo, ze vacsina ludi ma lahky priebeh alebo dokonca ziadne priznaky.

kedze neviem po cinsky :/, tak som z povodnymi zdrojmi opatrny - pozeral som nejake posty od pro-hong-kong propaganda ludi, a aj tam nejakych jasnych 'dokazov' bolo minimum, ak vobec. do zapadnych medii som toho prebublat tiez vela nevidel.
ale ak mas nejaky dobry zhrniak vlogov a cojaviem coho este, sem s nim, rad si pozriem.

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ja ti neviem, ked na knci decembra nejaky ociar z nemocnice varuje kolegov ze celime novemu SARSU tak ma tak napada ci to bol az taky genius alebo nahodicka.. alebo to bolo v tom case uz take vypukle a neutajitelne ze to proste prasklo... tak ci tak od cinanov by som po prvom SARSe, po tom ako XY studii ako ongoing risk oznacili wet markets, pri tom ako mali vo Wuhane SARS research center.. no proste by som cakal asi lepsiu reakciu.

to ze vyfailovali zapadne vlady je druha vec samozrejme, asi odmietali uverit ze sa to proste cinanom nepodarilo stopnut, nebolo to pohodlne priznat si ze bude problem

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viem ze som ti neodpisal uz minule, ale v tomto podla mna fakt nemas pravdu, vo vela veciach, hlavne ale v tom, ze cela ta 'lepsia' reakcia sa omnoho lahsie predstavuje teraz, ako keby si ju mal robit ked nevies skoro nic o epidemiologii tej choroby.

jedna je 'celime novemu SARSU', lebo toto je v podstate jedina vec, ktorou si vtedy mohli byt isty, a to ze novemu sarsu necelili. lebo keby celili, tak by mali hromady mrtvol na uliciach a v nemocniciach, kde ti pacienti boli.

tiez nevidim preco by malo byt relevantne ze typek bol ociar, kedze jedine co spravil bolo, ze preposlal Fwd: Fwd: Fw: spravu, a zrovna z tej jeho niekto spravil screenshot.