Re: 06.03.2020-0:54:35 :: Something smarter than us is going to emerge


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Imho "flu washing", po slovensky "je to len taka ina chripka" je nove "klima sa menila vzdy".
False equivalency ignorujuca zakladne cisla a kontext, sluziaca ako zrdoj pre sweet denial a ospravedlnenie nic nerobenia. e: Oboje este zabalene do "som tazko nad vecou" pozy.

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ono je to prezleceny strach a beznadej

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no a vies co je sranda?

ze casto ti co su velmi pre boj proti CC zapaleni prave ten "je to len chripka" pristup zastavaju

cize - v pripade CC mame predsa pocuvat vedcov, v pripade korony je len "pche, obycajna chripka"

dtto som vypozoroval CC versus zavadzanie 5G

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toto!

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ja tuto kauzu sledujem od uplneho zaciatku. narazil som na to nahodou, ale bol som velmi zvedavy "ako sa s tym v cine porataju". a ked aj teraz, po vyse dvoch mesiacoch, z kazdej strany pocujem "je to len chripka", alebo este lepsie "umieraju na to len stari", tak som seriozne triggered.

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ak si triggered je to vporiadku (tiez parX za rok) nepocuvaj ich

ak sa chcu vyrozpravat a musis to absolvovat predstav si sum mora :D alebo vodopad
e: sme v dobe kde je zabespecena karantena ten najvzacnejsi komodit a prevencia

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to nelen u nas. tu v nemecku pocuvam toto iste aj horsie. dnes mi zajebal kolega - je to len hoax koli protestom, ide iba o chripku.

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Toto. Po prve, neumieraju na to len stari ludia. Po druhe, aj keby to tak bolo...jak strasne cynicke prasa niekto musi byt, aby nieco take vypustil z huby? To nemaju starych rodicov, rodicov po 60-ke, susedov, atd.?

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"umieraju na to len stari ludia" sa da pochopit vselijak, ty pocujes ktoru verziu?
- ..mladi sa nemusia az tak bat
- ..najviac treba chranit starych ludi
- ..je to vpohode, zomieraju len stari

zaujimalo by ma kde si zachytil tu tretiu verziu, ja nepoznam cloveka ktory by mal taky cynicky pristup k inym ludom, to mozno tak 15-rocne deti ktore chcu byt cool pred kamaratmi, pripadne starsie vyvinove pozastavene jedince, a potencialne nejaky troll na internete co rad triggeruje, ale medzi beznymi dospelymi ludmi nepoznam cloveka ktory by tak rozmyslal - ty hej?

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kontext: "Its just a flu", pocul som milion krat.

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a ako chapes vetu "its just a flu"? co sa tym snazia povedat?

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Vid. toto vlakno.

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nemozes odpovedat? mam si dohladavat a domyslat odpoved? ak hej, tak nejdem

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Pre starsich ludi to ma umrtnost porovnatelnu s light kmenami eboly. Takze ak to niekto nazyva "just a flu", jasne tym ignoruje nebezpecenstvo pre starsich ludi. Toto je podla mna dost jasne a netreba to nikomu vysvetlovat. Preto ked sa stale dopytujes, mam z toho dojem, ze ti ide o nejaky podivny trolling.

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o com sa bavime? o tom ze umieraju primarne stari ludia? alebo o tom, ze to niekto zlahcuje ze je to len flu?

pytal som sa kde si pocul ze umieraju len stari a neodpovedal si mi, a pridal si tu druhu temu (suhlasim ze to nie je "len flu")

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Este dobre, ze mame k dispozicii aj lepsie statistiky. Link davat nebudem, uz to tu urcite niekde bolo.

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lol

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"neumieraju na to len stari ludia"

je niekde break-down "podla veku" tej preexisting condition tabulky?

mna konkretne zaujima vysoky krvny tlak, co mal 6%, to je celkom dost

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vidim to 100% rovnako. nehovoriac o tom, ze "umrtnost" je len jeden z mnohych atributov choroby. uplne mi chybaju statistiky o tom, ako su na tom ludia, ktori tu chorobu prekonali. maju nasledky, ake, ako dlho? ako dlho trva choroba? u kolkych ludi je nutna hospitalizacia... ved vies... na jednej strane rozumiem, ze topiaci sa slamky chyta, ale pouzivat umrtnost na zlahcovanie? a este to potom zabit nejakym vtipkom...

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80% mierne az ziadne symptomy, 15% zapal pluc, 5% vazne komplikacie.
80% pokasle pokycha tyzden a ziadne dalsie nasledky. toto mne vychadza z toho co citam.

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To mas odkial? 80% je ziadne symptomy az zapal plus, ktory nevyzaduje hospitalizaciu.
15% zapal plus s hypoxiou.

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zo sprav. uslo mi, ze aj ked mas zapal pluc tak nemusis byt v nemocnici a povazuje sa to za miernu komplikaciu. zapal pluc! smh. hej, mylil som sa. za trest si idem 10x umyt ruky savom.

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inymi slovami, kazdy piaty chudak co sa nakazi bude par tyzdnov na infekcnom. uplna pohoda, len taka chripka

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no dakujem pekne

inak komukolvek by som za podcenovanie len takej chripky/nadchy ztrojnasobil zdravotne poistenie a na koniec rady :)
osobne som nezdedil (ani nechcem) byty a palace v starom meste takze ne/preplatene 3 tyzdne dost velke zatazenie pre mna...

neskutocne ma to vytaca... ty/kotkolvek ma len stastie ze je len prenasac pretoze akykolvek virus (v lepsom pripade bakteria) Teba neskoli ale niektori ludia neradi su len par tyzdnov v totalnej pici. (aj tie najjednoduchsie ochorenia su pre niekoho ineho peklo.

e: cize moj point je byt nadmieru opatrny a dpriat si karantenu aj ked nehrozi pandemia akehokolvek viru. Od dnes imo povinnost.

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moj prispevok bol mysleny sarkasticky

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toto nevychadza len tebe, ale vacsine ludi, co to citaju, ale to sa v texte (vacsinou) nepise. ja mam info take, ako pise napr. acidmilk a ostatni dole.

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tak skus citat s porozumenim.
80% ma "mierne symptomy" v relativnom zmysle slova, co znamena aj zapal pluc kludne, akurat ze nie je nutna hospitalizacia. cca 15% su hypoxycky, cize potrebuju kyslik. a tych 5% su na umelej ventilacii, zlyhanie pluc pripadne inych organov. vacsina z tych poslednych neprezije.

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no nechcem sa tu hadat ale vramci medicinskej debaty od WebMD na reddite toto bolo polozene ako otazka a permanent damage na plucach tam vobec nebol vyluceny

ale neviem, odkial si to "bez nasledkov" zobral ty?

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ked mas miernu nadchu asi nebudes mat trvale nasledky na plucach.
ale nesom doktor, mozno sa mylim.

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pocuj aku nadchu?
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/

ked nemas problemy s chapanim textu tak si pozri cely clanok

krista ti jebem, odkedy toto robi normalna nadcha:

The Lungs: Ground zero

For most patients, COVID-19 begins and ends in their lungs, because like the flu, coronaviruses are respiratory diseases.

They spread typically when an infected person coughs or sneezes, spraying droplets that can transmit the virus to anyone in close contact. Coronaviruses also cause flu-like symptoms: Patients might start out with a fever and cough that progresses to pneumonia or worse. (Find out how coronavirus spreads on a plane—and the safest place to sit).

After the SARS outbreak, the World Health Organization reported that the disease typically attacked the lungs in three phases: viral replication, immune hyper-reactivity, and pulmonary destruction.

Not all patients went through all three phases—in fact only 25 percent of SARS patients suffered respiratory failure, the defining signature of severe cases. Likewise, COVID-19, according to early data, causes milder symptoms in about 82 percent of cases, while the remainder are severe or critical.

Look deeper, and the novel coronavirus appears to follow other patterns of SARS, says University of Maryland School of Medicine associate professor Matthew B. Frieman, who studies highly pathogenic coronaviruses.

In the early days of an infection, the novel coronavirus rapidly invades human lung cells. Those lung cells come in two classes: ones that make mucus and ones with hair-like batons called cilia.

Mucus, though gross when outside the body, helps protect lung tissue from pathogens and make sure your breathing organ doesn’t dry out. The cilia cells beat around the mucus, clearing out debris like pollen or viruses.

Frieman explains that SARS loved to infect and kill cilia cells, which then sloughed off and filled patients’ airways with debris and fluids, and he hypothesizes that the same is happening with the novel coronavirus. That’s because the earliest studies on COVID-19 have shown that many patients develop pneumonia in both lungs, accompanied by symptoms like shortness of breath.

That’s when phase two and the immune system kicks in. Aroused by the presence of a viral invader, our bodies step up to fight the disease by flooding the lungs with immune cells to clear away the damage and repair the lung tissue.

When working properly, this inflammatory process is tightly regulated and confined only to infected areas. But sometimes your immune system goes haywire and those cells kill anything in their way, including your healthy tissue.

“So you get more damage instead of less from the immune response,” Frieman says. Even more debris clogs up the lungs, and pneumonia worsens. (Find out how the novel coronavirus compares to flu, Ebola, and other major outbreaks).

During the third phase, lung damage continues to build—which can result in respiratory failure. Even if death doesn’t occur, some patients survive with permanent lung damage. According to the WHO, SARS punched holes in the lungs, giving them “a honeycomb-like appearance”—and these lesions are present in those afflicted by novel coronavirus, too.

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upokoj sa. este si privodis infarkt.

narazam na to co sa pise. vela ludi ma "mild cold like symptomps".

viem ze to nieje nadcha.

berem to vazne. vela ludi zomrelo. nieje to hoax. umyvam si ruky. uz Ti je lepsie? pheeew...