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Len tak z dlhej chvile som googlil studie na semena prhlavy, kedze niekde som zachytil, ze pomahaju na ladviny.

Samozrejme existuju len slabsie 2-3 studie na potkanoch, z ktorych ziadna neskumala suvislost s ladvinami. Narazil som ale na krasny clanok, ktory z casti vystihuje moj pocit.

Can certain herbal medications treat chronic kidney disease (CKD)? Is alternative medicine the cure for CKD?

This is not a unique issue with nettle leaf. Pseudoscience infests the world wide web. From websites promising to reverse CKD with guarantees (I haven't met a single nephrologist who is that awesome!), before conveniently forwarding you to a page which sells the fix for $67, to miracle cures for hypertension/heart disease/obesity...you name it. In this fog of misinformation, do I expect my patients to be as critical as I was? I would love it if they are. But, often, that is simply not true. The internet is the wild west where anything goes. And the misinformation overload can convince pretty much every lay person, save for the occasional skeptic. Couple that with a very human instinct of looking at anything derived from plants or nature as "safe", and every compound obtained synthetically from chemicals as "strong" or "unnatural/unsafe/with side effects", and one begins to understand the lure of alternative/nature medicine. It is another matter that there are plenty of herbs out there that are obviously harmful (think monkshood, hemlock, jimson weed, etc). Finally, there often is an element of desperation...hey, I can't cure my CKD anyway, so might as well try this. Many patients fail to realize that this approach can really hurt their health.



A pre mna ako cloveka, pre ktoreho je skepticizmus len polka cesty k poznaniu vyvstava otazka - je nedostatok studii potvrdujucich / vyvracajucich ucinky tradicnej mediciny nejak riesitelny? Alebo sa proste musime uspokojit s tym, ze kedze tie studie nema kto zaplatit, tak navzdy zostane vacsia cast prirodnych preparatov iba quackery pre naivnych? Ako je mozne, ze zrovna prhlava, ktora je plevel vo vacsine Europy (aj daleko mimo nej), ma ako-tak preukazatelne siroke spektrum ucinkov (http://www.umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/herb/stinging-nettle), nie je systematicky studovana? Alebo je to zas len moj zachvat idealizmu a mam si ist radsej zaliat prhlavovy caj?

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mikmak
 mikmak      07.01.2018 - 16:53:21 , level: 1, UP   NEW
teraz neviem, ci ta napr u prhlavy zaujima to ci maju prhlava a ladviny suvislost, resp ci posobi prhlava prospesne na ladviny, alebo to ci lieci CKD?

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Kwisatz Haderach
 Kwisatz Haderach      07.01.2018 - 22:42:10 , level: 2, UP   NEW
Formuloval som to trochu nestastne (ako u mna byva zvykom), ale islo mi hlavne o semena prhlavy a viacmenej hypoteticku uvahu kde sa preklapa hranica medzi "tradicnou" medicinou a pouzitim vedeckej metody.

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mikmak
 mikmak      08.01.2018 - 12:29:07 , level: 3, UP   NEW
tak to je este sirsia otazka:)

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Thunder Perfect Mind
 Thunder Perfect Mind      06.01.2018 - 23:37:28 [1K] , level: 1, UP   NEW
Podla mna nedostatok studii v pripade 'dobre znamych' byliniek vacsinou znamena ze sa na to nejaki (bio)chemici ci lekari velmi tvrdo pozerali a zistili ze sa to neoplati dalej studovat, inak by z toho davno bol nejaky farmakologicky liek alebo aspon extrakt.

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Kwisatz Haderach
 Kwisatz Haderach      07.01.2018 - 22:39:25 , level: 2, UP   NEW
Tvoj nazor. Ale z pohladu skeptika uplne irelevantny lebo na to nemas studiu. Ma asi rovnaku hodnotu ako nazor konspiratora ze farma lobby zaplatila za to, aby sa tieto bylinky neskumali.

Pod moja, velmi tvrdo sa na teba pozrem :D

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Thunder Perfect Mind
 Thunder Perfect Mind      07.01.2018 - 23:01:39 , level: 3, UP   NEW
aww co tak nasrane, poslapal som ti bylinky?

Kedze viem syntetizovat, mojou studiou je historia, od aspirinu z vrby cez morfium po rapamycin z bakterii pody Rapa Nui, a urcite aj dalej. Specialne po objaveni penicilinu bol velky drive systematicky analyzovat fytochemikalie a pod. a podla mna je dost nepravdepodobne aby im nieco uplne bezne uniklo. Ale samozrejme mozem sa mylit atd.

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Kwisatz Haderach
 Kwisatz Haderach      08.01.2018 - 04:03:26 , level: 4, UP   NEW
nie nie nasrane, len trochu borovicky a celkom si ma pobavil. ty, etalon skepticizmu na kyberii pouzije formulaciu ze sa na to vedci velmi tvrdo pozerali. V Slovenke alebo Zivote by ma to az tak neprekvapilo...

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Prospero
 Prospero      06.01.2018 - 22:05:45 , level: 1, UP   NEW
Zalej si prhlavovy caj a tes sa ze popri skepticizme poznas aj tu druhu polku cesty k poznaniu.

A propos, k Ježiškovi som dostal tento skvelý herbár: https://www.fortunalibri.sk/products/herbar-alebo-od-alchemilky-po-zindavu , ak ho nemáš tak prudko odporúčam si ho zadovážiť, na strane je pekný recept na "očistnú jarnú pŕhľavovú kúpeľ".

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Kwisatz Haderach
 Kwisatz Haderach      06.01.2018 - 22:34:52 , level: 2, UP   NEW
Herbarov a pod. mam doma par, a rovnako aj stoh momentalne pre mna dolezitejsej literatury, z ktoreho mi neubuda, takze herbare riesim len vtedy ked ma nejaka burina kopne do oka :)

Skor ide o to, ze bolo by fajn mat moznost si tie tradicne "syntetizovane" techniky analyticky overit. Lebo mozu byt medzi nimi ako fajn veci, tak uplne zbytocnosti a snad aj veci nebezpecne obcas.

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