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ja si myslim ze ten text ospravedlnuje holokaust ? je to tak ?

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Podla autora je o sopke.

According to Douglas Rose Clouds of Holocaust isn't about the actual WWII holocaust at all:

"Dear Sir,
As I have said in my previous statement I believe that any form of art worth it's salt is open to interpretation, reinterpretation and misinterpretation and should not necessarily be explained in any way, shape or form by the artist himself. Even if it could be!
But, there are limits to being misinterpreted especially when the interpretors become accusers, stone throwers and are from a government agency!!
"Holocaust" as a word is used often in the English language to describe something catatrophic and of a final nature. It is derived from the original Greek meaning "burnt offerings". As I have also previously stated the title of the song 'Rose Clouds Of Holocaust' was inspired by 2 trips to the volcanic island of Iceland in mid-Winter and mid-Summer 1989/1990 where I experienced a spiritual epiphany/revelation. In conversation with a close colleague of mine in the healing thermal waters of The Blue Lagoon situated near the town of Keflavik near the capital Rejkavik we spoke of Life and its disappointments. I realised as we swam in the naturally heated waters surrounded by a howling blizzard with temperatures 17 degrees below zero, that much of my adult Life had been led by lies about a particular relationship I had been in since 1980. It was a relationship that would also inspire the songs '13 Years Of Carrion' and 'Accidental Protege' which are also on the 'Rose Clouds Of Holocaust' album which is the work by my group in question. The steam rising from the heated waters of the Lagoon in the middle of this freezing cold landscape, coupled with the strange rose/purple colour of the sky gave the whole scenario a 'holocaustic' atmosphere. Most of the island in this area is afteral just moss-covered lava fields. 'Rose Clouds Of Holocaust' ably describes that scenario. At least in English!
As in almost all of my writings the remainder of the text have many reference points;
"Festivals End As Festivals Must" - an old newspaper heading commemorating the 10th anniversary of the death by suicide of one of my favourite gay authors Yukio Mishima.
"From the Hooded Crows of Rome" - I used to live in Rome in the early 1990s and these were the first birds I would see upon arrival at the airport
"To The Falcons Of Zagreb" - a city I have often visited and from my hotel window I have a good view of the family of falcons that live in and fly and hunt between the twin towers of the city's Cathedral
"Mother Victim Of Jesus lie down in Sydney's dust" - a line on a tombstone I noticed while taking a walk in Rookwood Cemetary in Australia, the largest cemetary in the World.
I do not write in a straight forward fashion. I pull a word from here or a line from there that I may have written today of several years ago. I only know it looks 'correct' when I place them together on paper. What it means after that,...????? I can only say where some were inspired from.
The same applies to the song 'Lifebooks' which was based around a conversation I had with a very close colleague in a pub near Leicester Square, London about Magick and the Occult and how a mutual friend of ours, who subsequently died, was destroying himself with these dark arts. The colleague I had the conversation with also co-writes some of the text.
"The Swirling Sound Of Swastikas
Like Rotor-blades Of Thought
Threshing The wheat
Out from The Chaff -
All this is a Dream,..."
demonstrates a perfect use of alliteration ( "S,S,S....Th, Th, Th,...") as it symbolically refers to the fans in the pub ceiling turning as we spoke that long afternoon about the pros and cons of dabbling with the Occult. But, naturally I could have said;
'The fans in the pub ceiling turned around like propellor blades as we spoke of the advantages and disadvantages of dealing with the Occult'
For me I know what sounds better poetry in English!
But, evidently others in Germany really know what these words mean! I am in awe at their expertise and talent. However, I am confused why this album which has sold 10s of thousands and has been freely available via different distributers Worldwide for 10 years without any problems, including in Israel where I recently performed, has only now become the subject of the scrutiny of censorship? For that I have no answers.
In a nutshell, I do not deny the existence of The Holocaust. The Holocaust is and was a completely different experience to 'Rose Clouds Of Holocaust' as I'm sure any inmate of an extermination camp would testify. The people who claim the 2 are one and the same should be ashamed of their disgusting conceit.
Yours Sincerely,
Douglas P.
(DEATH IN JUNE)"
14/02/06
5:33 pm

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hmm ano holokaust inac povedane bozie dopustenie moze byt aj oblacik zo sopky ale pre mna nenadobudne nikdy pocit ze to cele nie je ucelove takze ked si nikto inteligentny pospaja interpretacie tak aby boli viac ucelove urcite to nie je genocida ale oblacik zo sopky :D.

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Ja som ten text zas dezinterpretoval inak. Ono vsetky koncentracne tabory a masove vrazdenia sa (samozrejme tak, ako to pomery dovolovali) odohravali tajne. Svetova verejnost ako celok sa o podobnych veciach dozvedela az potom ako koncentracne tabory objavili vojska ktore ich oslobodzovali a ich filmari.

Cize ono cely ten text je mozne interpretovat nie z pohladu vzniku tych taborov, ale z pohladu "zjavenia" celej tej veci verejnosti.

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ano a co slovicko ruzovy :D ? podla mna ten text spochybnuje holokaust
Rose clouds of holocaust
Rose clouds of lies
Rose clouds of bitter
Bitter, bitter lies

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Oblaky vacsinou veci zakryvaju, a ruzova je farba spojena s urcitou naivitou. Nie je to presne naopak, ze pozorovatel zvonka si svet maluje naruzovo a oblaky a lzi mu pomahaju nevidiet realitu ?

E: ta farba tam ma znevazujuci kontext urcite, ale ten sa moze vztahovat skor na "slepy" svet

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And, when the ashes of life
Fall down from the skies
Rose clouds of holocaust
Rose clouds of lies...

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ja si myslim, ze gangsta rap a hororove filmy glorifikuju nasilie. je to tak?

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nebudem sa pustat do nejakych viac obsiahlich vysvetlovani drzim sa len textu z toho songu. Basnicka ktora ospravedlnuje holokaust. To iste robi gangsta rap ? a hororove filmy ?
Spytam sa este inac obhajujes tu tymto holokasut ?

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nie, neobhajujem.

ano, de facto robia to iste. ak tomu nerozumies, tak si precitaj par linkov, ktore sa tu na tuto temu postovali. joy division mas rad?

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lol dalsi hnedy curacik
kabelko

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na to ze mas udajne doktorat si fakt nevies niektore veci pospajat do nejakeho vacsieho obrazu.

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myslis ako ze nacisatanizmus je len podmnozina satanizmu?

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tak to je pozitivne ze neobhajujes holokaust. Nerozumiem ?. Joy division je fajn ano mam rad Joy Division aj Depeche Mode hlavne aj zidovske korene mam aj viem na co narazaju ked maju v texte o "pol noci- nad ranom - za sumraku" pretoze prave vtedy v taboroch budili ludi a hnali ich do plynovych komor. Ti co boli v koncentraku by ti presne povedali existuje na to jeden nemecky sloganovy vyraz.
Tak fajn. Ja pocuvam text ku hudbe zvacsa. Tento sa mi nepaci aj ked hudba je fajn. Pride mi to troska divne,nesledujem DIJ.

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chcem tym len povedat to, ze ked si pozries horror, tak urcite nepojdes teraz do ulic s macetou a nebudes vrazdit ludi. tiez mam zidovske korene a tato teatralna radoby glorifikacia holokaustu ma fascinuje, pretoze ti ukazuje veci aj z ineho uhla pohladu akym je vseobecny spolocebnsky diskurz, ktory ti zakazuje taketo tabuizovane temy otvarat.

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ved urcite rozumiem tomu. Viem ze ide od nadhlad. Nikto ma takyto nazor niekto nie. Ak to odlahcime tak v poriadku. Ja osobne to nemozem nejako prehliadnut. "Ruzove" oblaciky ktore idu nad ranom z plynovych komor a vsade na okolo je laska. Ale respektujem to je tvoj osobny pohlad na vec text kapelu ako taku. Ja ich nepoznam takze to nemusim vidiet tak ako to vidis ty ked si obornik. Podla tohto textu by som ich dalej preskakoval a pravdepodobne by som sa vyhybal ich koncertom.

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ja som na ich koncerte bol a musim povedat, ze to bol rozhodne jeden z najviac zaujimavych zazitkov ake som na koncerte mal) v zivote som nevidel tak pestru zmes ludi v publiku ako u nich.