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Priatelka si chce kupit notebook, kedze ju uz sere sluzobny HP VISTA notes, tak by sme si radi dali poradit s vyberom.

POUZITIE:
-hlavne lightroom, photoshop,
-sekundarne videoediting (nic advance)
-zaroven notebook bude sluzit ako jediny jej pocitac a zabavne centrum, cize ziadne externe repraky/monitor/dockina nebude mat
-normal web atd

POZIADAVKY
dost siroke :)
-13,14 alebo 15tka. Preferuje 14tku zatial ako kompromis medzi mobilitov a velkostov obrazovky
-URCITE MATTny obraz (preto odpada 13tka macbook)
-4gb ram, asi i5 procak, grafika neviem ci treba extra
-disk pre cenu klasicky 7200 otackovy
-preferovala by so zabudovanou dvd mechanikov
-baterka samozrejme co najviac :),ale aspon 2-3 hod realnej prace
-nieco co aspon trocha cestovania prezije
-nech to nema 3kg alebo tak
-znacky Apple, Lenovo, Dell, mozno HP. Nie su silne preferencie, radi si nechame poradit aj ked Acer a pod mi zrovna nevonaju.

CENA ideal cca 700e s dph, max 1200e s dph
:)

Predbezny vyber>
Naj by bol macbook pro 13tka, za ktory by si asi bola ochotna priplatit. Ale to zrkadlo miesto displeja je pre nu nepouzitelne a za novu 15tku s matt nechce davat tolko penazi. Tak mozno sekacovy i5 mbp 15 s matt v zaruke keby sa nasiel a zmestil do tej vrchnej cenovej hladiny.Ale nemam vtom prehlad. Core 2 duo je jej uz pomale.
Mne sa pozdava Lenovo Thinkpad T420. ALe obavam sa reprakov a aj displeja. Moj displej na thinkpade x201 neni sice nic speci,ale na vonkajsie editovanie mi to staci avsak doma to napajam na externy monitor, co ona nebude.
HP a DELL som nepozeral a neviem rozlisit ani ktora rada sa oplati a co je plastovy sumt.

Celkovo bud moze ist cestou lacnejsieho plastu co za rok vymeni ale uz teraz bude dostatocne vykonny a mat dobry displej.ALebo zaplati vyssiu hranicu a bude mat nieco vo vydrzi aspon 2 roky (thinkpad, mbp).

Ja nemam prehlad a ona tiez nie, tak si radi nechame poradit. Vopred vdaka.




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Manoleta
 Manoleta      24.08.2011 - 18:31:26 , level: 1, UP   NEW
dakujem vsetkym za pomoc a rady, nakoniec to vyhral ThinkPad T420, tak verim, ze bude dobre sluzit :) tesim sa z neho a zatial oprasujem...heh, som zvedava, ako bude vyzerat po roku :P

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tomas
 tomas      14.07.2011 - 16:13:26 , level: 1, UP   NEW
Podla tohto PDF Personal Systems Reference (PSREF) sheets
http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/tabook.pdf
z http://www.lenovo.com/psref/ (hodne topicu imho)
su displeje nasledovne

L420
> 14.0" (355mm) HD (1366x768) color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
220 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio

L520
>Some: 15.6" (395mm) HD (1366x768) color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
220 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio
Some: 15.6" (395mm) HD+ (1600x900) color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
220 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio

T420
Some: 14.0" (355mm) HD (1366x768) color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
200 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 300:1 contrast ratio
Some: 14.0" (355mm) HD+ (1600x900) color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
250 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 300:1 contrast ratio

T520
Some: 15.6" (396mm) HD (1366x768) color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
220 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, 60% Gamut
Some: 15.6" (396mm) HD+ (1600x900) color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
220 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, 60% Gamut
Some: 15.6" (396mm) FHD (1920x1080) color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
270 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, 95% Gamut

w520
Some: 15.6" (396mm) HD+ (1600x900) color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
220 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, 60% Gamut
Some: 15.6" (396mm) FHD (1920x1080) color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
270 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, 95% Gamut
Some: huey™PRO Colorimeter by X-Rite® color calibration sensor in palm rest

x220 na porovnanie
Some: 12.5" (317.5mm) HD (1366x768) TFT color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
200 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 300:1 contrast ratio
Some: (Premium) 12.5" (317.5mm) HD (1366x768) TFT color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
300 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, IPS, WideView (170° viewing)

Cize mi stoho vychadza,ze t420 ma najhorsi displej (kontrast) aj oproti lacnejsim Lkovym thinkpadom.

Co vsak neviem ci L420,L520 a T520 HD+ maju rovnake displeje (podla parametrov to vyzera ze ano).Ak ano, tak potom kvoli velkosti by jej L420 s HD+ displejom bola najvhodnejsia (ak sa da zohnat).

A zaroven (mimo W) vychadza najlepsie T520 s FHD displejom ohladom farieb.

Zlozity svet.

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Manoleta
 Manoleta      14.07.2011 - 22:24:45 , level: 2, UP   NEW
dakujem za vsetky rady, velmi pomahaju pri rozhodovani. ten NB je pre mna a som z toho uz celkom jelen, pretoze vyhody maleho a sikovneho kricia na velky monitor, ze nech sa neda zahanbit...kazdopadne uz sama som celkom zvedava, ako sa nakoniec impulzivne rozhodnem :)

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spectre
 spectre      14.07.2011 - 20:48:37 , level: 2, UP   NEW
tie kontrasty v PSREF su uplne mimo reality hlavne pre HDcka a 14tky.
L412 ma uplne to iste uvedene co L420
14.0" (355mm) HD (1366x768) color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
220 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio
a realita vyzera takto
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-Thinkpad-L412-Notebook.31514.0.html

L420 sa s HD+ nerobi aj keby sa robil tak ta to nevytrhne lebo tie 14,0" HD+ displeje su +/- to iste bez ohladu na to ci su v Lenove T420, HPckach 6460b/8460p/8460w alebo v Delloch E5420/E6420.

afaik jediny 14" displej porovnatelny s hires 15tkami bol 14,5" Radiance Infinity Display v HP Envy 14. bohuzial pre teba ma 2 chyby: je leskly rovnako ako displeje na Macbookoch a uz sa nepredava :)
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-Envy-14-1010eg-Notebook.34788.0.html

ten FullHD displej na T520 a W520 je po ukonceni W70x serie asi to najlepsie TN-ko co sa dava do Thinkpadov pokial sa ti ho podari dobre skalibrovat (6bit vs widegamut). podla for je to tento konkretny displej, ktory sa daval uz do W510tky http://www.notebook-lcd.ru/pdf/B156HW01_V_4.pdf

inak k tomu 95% gamutu je este vhodne doplnit toto:
I was investigating about that gamut and quality thing and finally I can tell you where is the "but".

It is all about that "gamut" word. Professional grade monitors mean by gamut "gamut coverage", but mainstream and low-end manufacturers mean by gamut "gamut volume". If you seriously work with photography, or pre-press, you probably working in sRGB, A-RGB or NTSC. If lenovo tell you that they have 95 % NTSC, it is not mean they cover 95 % of NTSC 3D gamut model, but that the volume of 3D model on their screen is 95% of volume of gamut NTSC 3D model. Yes, that mean, that this has no relation what so ever with the gamut coverage, so theoretically you can have 100% volume gamut, and the screen cannot reproduce a single one color of that gamut. The reason why manufacturers are doing this is simple - marketing - the numbers are bigger. This also solve the miracle when on anandtech you can see 120% gamut monitors etc. Then people here are disappointed that the colors are oversaturated, ugly, non-real etc. They are there, but they are wrong.
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=95220

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tomas
 tomas      14.07.2011 - 21:57:21 , level: 3, UP   NEW
Ty by si mal robit plateny support :)

Cize teda t520 HD+ ,kedze FHD asi uz bude nad rozpocet

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spectre
 spectre      14.07.2011 - 22:47:41 , level: 4, UP   NEW
skor hobby aj to len skor business notebooky a zivit by som sa tym nechcel. :)

inak prave riesim podobny vyber (nahradu za T61). akurat ma serie, ze vsetci sa opicia po Apple hlinikovym designom sasi a chicklet klavesnicou ale aby tam dali rovnako dobre displeje tak to ani nahodou a to su tie notebooky casto drahsie ako porovnatelne Macbooky. :(

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dark matter
 dark matter      05.08.2011 - 20:48:46 , level: 5, UP   NEW
no to by nas potom celkom zaujimalo, co si vyberies :)

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frwolf
 frwolf      04.07.2011 - 15:41:15 , level: 1, UP   NEW
nedavno som kupoval na zaklade velmi podobnych kriterii a vybral som nakoniec thinkpad L520 (http://www.alza.sk/lenovo-thinkpad-l520-7859-58g-d238609.htm), ten ktory linkoval aj spectre.

Podstatne je, aby to bol model s matt display 1600x900. 6 clankova baterka realne vydrzi tak 3-4 hodinky. Ja som zatial uplne spokojny.

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spectre
 spectre      03.07.2011 - 02:19:12 (modif: 03.07.2011 - 02:26:59), level: 1, UP   NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!
http://www.alza.sk/lenovo-thinkpad-l520-7859-58g-d238609.htm
http://www.alza.sk/hp-probook-6560b-d226762.htm
http://www.alza.sk/lenovo-thinkpad-t520-4240-4fg-d236000.htm
tie Lenova a v lepsej konfiguracii mozes mat este lacnejsie tak ako si mal ten X201. pripadne ak poznas niekoho v Delli tak E5520 a E6520 je cca to iste ako L520/6560b resp. T520/8560p.

15tku odporucam lebo maju kvalitnejsie displeje
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-Notebook.51230.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-Thinkpad-T520-Notebook.51596.0.html
rovnako kvalitny displej ako je 15,6" HD+ nema ziadny sucasny 14" notebook a z 13" v tejto cene len Macbooky. v T420 budes mat prinajlepsom displej porovnatelny s X201 akurat s vyssim rozlisenim.

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Manoleta
 Manoleta      16.07.2011 - 22:29:06 , level: 2, UP   NEW
prave pozeram a hladam stale nejaku alternativu na 14", pretoze sa mi prilis nechce teperit s 15.6" a tazko sa mi zmieruje s tou myslienkou... nasla som tento:
http://www.alza.sk/hp-probook-6460b-d226758.htm#popis
co si myslis o displeji v porovnani s tomasovom x201 alebo s T420, T520 s FHD?
vdak

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spectre
 spectre      18.07.2011 - 16:24:21 , level: 3, UP   NEW
potvrdenie toho co som tu uz pisal - test 6460b s 14" HD+
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-HP-ProBook-6460b-LG645EA-Notebook.56702.0.html

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spectre
 spectre      16.07.2011 - 23:28:44 , level: 3, UP   NEW
na tu otazku uz som odpovedal tu http://kyberia.sk/id/6118073
chodte sa kuknut do digial parku do showroomu Lenova. maju tam momentalne vystaveny aj W520 s tym widegamut FullHD displejom (cena ale min 1400 eur).

s rozpoctom do 1200 eur si budes musiet vybrat jednu z tychto moznosti:
a) 13,3" leskly WXGA/WXGA+ (Macbook Pro/Air) - lepsi ako v X201
b) 14,0" matny HD+ (napr. 6460b/T420) - rovnaky alebo horsi ako v X201 (podla toho na aky konkretny kus budes mat stastie)
c) 15,6" matny HD+ (napr. L520/6560b/T520) - lepsi ako v X201
d) 15,6" matny FullHD (8560w) - lepsi ako v X201
ine moznosti afaik momentalne na trhu nie su.

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Manoleta
 Manoleta      17.07.2011 - 13:50:27 , level: 4, UP   NEW
ok, diky za vsetky rady, pomohli velmi, v lenove sme boli, porovnavame, resp. teraz je to vsetko uz len o velkosti a cene, ale v prvom rade o pouziti.

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tomas
 tomas      13.07.2011 - 15:45:33 , level: 2, UP   NEW
Stale dumeme.
Skoda ze t420tka nema taky displej ako 15tka HD+.
L520 podla recenzii ma podone nekvalitny displej ako t420 :(
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-L520-NWB53GE-Notebook.54102.0.html

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spectre
 spectre      13.07.2011 - 19:49:23 , level: 3, UP   NEW
v hentom je HD, nie HD+. 15,6" HD je imho este horsie ako 14" HD. :)

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tomas
 tomas      14.07.2011 - 01:14:02 , level: 4, UP   NEW
Hej, pochopil som.
Jedine co teda sa oplati je t520 s HD+ displejom, ktory na just nemaju na ukazku v lenovo showroome.

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tomas
 tomas      03.07.2011 - 16:59:01 , level: 2, UP   NEW
Neni pre mna, ja som rad s malym notesom a dockinov.
Toto je pre priatelku:)
Preposlem dalej a kukeneme. Snad jej 15tka nebude velka.

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superpussy
 superpussy      02.07.2011 - 21:42:34 , level: 1, UP   NEW
ja som v januari kupoval hp 6450b, ktore presne sedi na tieto parametre a som spokojny. urcite vykonnejsi stroj ako nejaky macbook [ v tej cene ], kovove panty, taky zvlastne plastovo kovovy povrch, ale casom sa ukazalo ze celkom odolny. display ak porovnam s externym dell 2408, tak je to ako keby som sa na to dival cez spinave okuliare, ale v tomto som ani moc neocakaval, musel som dokupovat fw express card kvoli zvukovke lebo nefungovala s internym portom ale to je u pc bezne a to asi ona nebude potrebovat. cela ta sranda stala cca 900e s predlzenou zarukou na 3 roky.
ps - este baterka. nepoviem presne lebo som stale na sieti, ale urcite to nieje 6 - 7 h. ako slubovali.. mozno polovica?