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imho je strasne naivne si mysliet ze google tie data zbiera len preto aby mohol zlepsit svoj algoritmus a lepsie cielit reklamu ...
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ZRudi
12.10.2010 - 17:52:07
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hej, uz maju atomove bomby pripravene, aby ich na nas pustili
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12.10.2010 - 17:16:35
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imho je strasne naivne si mysliet opak.
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12.10.2010 - 16:06:13
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imho je strasne naivne si mysliet ze sa tomu neda zabranit ;-) mozes spoofovat , vypnut si vysielanie a prepojit sa kablom , menit MAC adresu kazdy druhy den . Cokolvek len chces .
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12.10.2010 - 19:47:33
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Musel by si najskor identifikovat vsetky kanaly, ktore k tomu ucelu mozu byt pouzite a tych je cim dalej tym viac a su maskovane za veci, ktore potrebujes, aby si mohol normalne fungovat.
Reality - jetzt in deinem Kopf
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Toth
12.10.2010 - 16:14:46
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Jasne, aj zit v olovenom atomovom kryte.
O to vobec nejde, len MAC adresu si bezny konzumny user nezmeni a nevie zmenit, ani branit sa tomu. A aj IT-ckarom to postupne prestane vadit.
Cas je liek ;) a my vas vyliecime.
Vas Google ;-)
Mas co mas.
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Lasperic
12.10.2010 - 16:17:03
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Bezneho usra take nieco ani neserie podla mna . Neviem si predstavit ze mi za chvilku bude volat mama ze google vie jej mac adresu a o tyzden pride google squad ze pozerala recepty na youtube kde je autorizovany music track.
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Sorry, mozno trochu nemiestna pripomienka, ale aj Hitler mal databazu a
robilo mu ju IBM
. Pouzitie technologii je len otazkou toho, kto je pri moci, pokial ochranne mechanismy nie su zabudovane priamo na urovni fyzickej vrstvy (napr. HW deaktivacia RFID chipu apod.). Uz len to, ze tie data niekde existuju a su nepretrzite zbierane a len nabobtnavaju by malo byt imho vystraznym signalom.
Reality - jetzt in deinem Kopf
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12.10.2010 - 19:20:32
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o tom hitlerovi a ibm som este nepocul , dakujem za link poprezeram o co tam slo . Len mi nejde do hlavy ako mac a lokacia okolitych pocitacov moze kompromitovat cloveka . Mozne je ze sa mylim a nieco mi uchadza pravdaze :)
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12.10.2010 - 19:47:00
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A Worrisome Hack
"Kamkar couldn't figure out everybody's address, but in a talk he gave at a security conference last month, he showed how he could take advantage of a basic programming error in certain types of home Wi-Fi routers to get them to reveal their MAC addresses. Armed with that information, he then showed how he could use a publicly accessible Google geolocation databaseto figure out where people lived. If someone visits his website from a buggy router left with default access control settings, he can figure out where they are located."
http://www.pcworld.com/article/205062/after_google_incident_wifi_data_collection_goes_on.html
edit: imho forum mafia mozme pomaly zrusit, .. alebo upgradnut ? :D
// So make what is yours and do not take what is others, for this is The Universal Law!
For if You break this Universal Law, The Universe will surely react to it, This is known to The Profane as Karma.
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no ide o to, ze za tym pocitacom, sedi vacsinou clovek, ktory ma nejaku caso-priestorovo obmedzenu mnozinu atributov (parcialnych identit)[zaujmov, aktivit, nastaveni preferenci, historiu, v prehliadaci...etc.] proste nieco, co ho odlisuje od ostatnych a na zaklade takychto ciastkovych informacii je mozne ho s urcitou pravdepodobnostou identifikovat v mnozine dalsich...cim viac takych identifikatorov mas, tym vacsia je pravdepodobnost, ze sa jedna o danu identitu. Pokial taketo informacie zbieras dlhodobo, postupne sa v nich vykrystalizuje urcity uzavrety patern popisujuci kazdodenny zivot cloveka, kde sa vacsina dejov opakuje a si schopny priamo monitorovat jeho aktivity. SSID, MAC adresa a GPS koordinaty su len jednym z mnohych takychto atributov, no pointa je ta, ze cim viac toho mas s cim dlhsieho casoveho intervalu a dokazes to prelinkovat jedno s druhym, tym viac informacii z realneho zivota daneho cloveka si schopny ziskat a predvidat jeho dalsie akcie, rovnako ako mat prehlad o jeho predchadzajucich akciach.
Reality - jetzt in deinem Kopf
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drakh
12.10.2010 - 16:11:16
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ja mam symbian bez wifi ;)
When I sleep, I dream too much
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12.10.2010 - 16:15:49
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A tiez ho mas napojeny na ethernet kablom? ;)
Mas co mas.
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Lasperic
12.10.2010 - 16:14:40
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mal som na mysli router.
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12.10.2010 - 16:17:18
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To pis na zaciatku, aby sa predchadzalo nedorozumeniam ;)
Edit: Ale tym riesis iba skrytie svojho routera, samostatnu lokaciu a zber dat z okolitych routrov nie.
Mas co mas.
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Lasperic
12.10.2010 - 16:27:07
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okolite routre ma nezaujimaju :) moj router je zariadenie ktore moze odhalit moju identitu googlu . Aj keby bol dalsi router meter odo mna , pokial sa ja nanho nenapojim , tak nebude mat so mnou ziadnu spojitost.
Tiez nechodim po susedoch ze maju nezabezpecene wifi a ze to je hrozne unsecure.
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12.10.2010 - 16:55:56
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"pokial sa ja nanho nenapojim, tak nebude mat somnou ziadnu spojitost" to je hlupost, ked Ti sietovka telefonu scanuje, tak Ti zoscanuje SSID aj BSSID (MAC routera) aj okolitych, teda aj susedov, ak by si sa chcel skryt, tak by si musel aj susedov vypnut.
A to, ze skryjes svoj router je uplne irelevantne, kedze oni nevedia koho je ten router, ale zaujima ich
kde si ty za pomoci vsetkych okolityh routrov
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Mas co mas.
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Lasperic
12.10.2010 - 17:28:07
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Ok teraz ti nerozumiem . Lets roleplay a bit. Mam router a strasnu fobiu z googlu . Vypnem broadcast ssid a sa prepojim na kabel (som silny fobik) . Takze mna ten mobil berme nezoscanuje . Mam 15 susedov ktori maju pustene wifi na plne gule a jedneho mladeho z androidom ktory dal "ok" a scanuje to tu teraz dajak.
Informacia pre google "na pozicii x,y je 15 rutrov z tymito mac adresami" .
Otazka znie .. Co z toho maju ak nie advertising?
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12.10.2010 - 15:29:15
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Uplny suhlas ;)
Mas co mas.