* Now talking in #bxl-ffii
* Topic is 'The pictures of the demo in Strasbourg can be viewed/upload : http://gallery.ffii.org/Strasbourg050705 |

vote tomorrow live on http://wm.streampower.be/ep-video1_or |

todays debate on http://media.vrijschrift.org/europarl050705.html'

* Set by gibus on Tue Jul 05 19:26:12
<jwildeboer> The Wall street journal article about Lehne helped ofcourse ;-)
<jwildeboer> Tomorrow will also see some interviews (radio) with FFII.
<jwildeboer> Look here:
<jwildeboer> http://www.handelsblatt.com/pshb/fn/relhbi/sfn/buildhbi/SH/0/depot/0/strucid/0/bmc/cn_bild_basket/bmc/cn_schlagzeilen_basket_ext!400,10,0,teaser,1/basketID/927806/bmc/cn_firmenkasten/index.html
<ijuz> jwildeboer: i really hope so, that it was because of the bad press about Lehne and the ffii press work, i'm just wondering, i think in 2003 there wasn't so much coverage
<blizz> oh, can you smell that sweet victory ;)
<ijuz> did the ffii in 2003 not also pay argentures to distribute press releases?
<jwildeboer> ijuz: A lot has changed since 2003. In germany the demonstration in Karlsruhe at Linuxtag last year was an exe-opener.
<jwildeboer> eye-opener.
<jwildeboer> And we have enhanced our press work. Also Florian M&#195;&#188;llers activities helped a lot.
<jwildeboer> And don't forget: journalists like us - we have not chnaged positions. The pro-sw-pat l&#195;¶obby is changing positions every day.
<gefatter> i am a poore student... but if they will vote against swpatents i will donate to ffii
<ijuz> jwildeboer: so now we can just hope the best, do you think i should also spam eh inform the spd people?
<jwildeboer> We need 367 votes. So keep on spam^h informing.
<ijuz> when it's rejected, i really hope this, because i fear some dirty tricks the fight will go on
<arend> Posted a msg on bxl list with direct links to debate for or, en, fr, de and nl.
<jwildeboer> Lets keep focused though. Victory is still not garantueed.
<jwildeboer> And FFII still says amendments are better as rejection. We want a directive - a good one.
<nl_marco> But official FFII position is that no directive is acceptable.
<gefatter> yes rejection means no decision.. right? so rejection means again voting some day
<nl_marco> rejection means: we have a lot more time, because this directive is in the dustbin
<[Rui]> gefatter: rejection might mean swpat lobby will try on higher and more obscure grounds like TRIPS II, or EPC revision
<ThWuensche> i think we want a directive with good amendments. otherwise the other side learns that all that can happen is that they don't win, but can continue as before.
<nl_marco> only when the commission issues a new directive, the game starts again
<[Rui]> gefatter: by far, a directive is better than none
<ThWuensche> it has to fire back on them
<gefatter> but they have time too... the lobiists
<blizz> someone up for a slashdot post?
<[Rui]> gefatter: but no directive is better than no directive, although only as a second choice
<nl_marco> rui: you mean no directive is better than bad directive.
<[Rui]> nl_marco: yes
<ThWuensche> hi marco
<ThWuensche> did somebody adopt my proposal?
<gefatter> yea thats right tooo. but the war is only done when they have an decision ... that means that we need a directive...
<nl_marco> Hi Thomas
<ThWuensche> if we don't have a directive, legal uncertainty will remain.
<blizz> listen, we'll just try to get a patent on "trying to enforce software patents in europe" and we're safe ;)
<Tor_> blizz: There is a story http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/05/1821244
<gefatter> lol
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<nl_marco> ThWuensche, we don't have legal uncertainty. BGH reenforced the good old "controllable forces of nature" ruling last year in december
<blizz> Tor_, ah nice, didnt see it
<blizz> thank you
<Tor_> If we get good amendments though, its not over. It goes to comission/council/some other comitee
<nl_marco> Or the commission simply drops it.
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<broli> hi
<ThWuensche> marco: yes, that's nice. but i still would prefer a directive with the buzek/rocard amendments.
<gefatter> if this will happen we ll have to fight longer!
<nl_marco> So if we get rejection tomorrow, the game is over for the pro-swpat-lobby at least for a while.
<gefatter> yes for a while ...
<jneves> nl_marco: no - they'll attack at EPC and TRIPS II talks :(
<nl_marco> They can do this additionally anyway.
<jneves> nl_marco: yes, but it's harder if you have a directive going the other way
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<gefatter> what does that mean?
<nl_marco> With every month it gets harder for them (as the situation in the US gets worse and worse). And we have already rised some public interest.
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<gefatter> so what does epc and trips 2 means
<markit_at_work> well, if we amend the directive, sure the council will kill it
<markit_at_work> so we'd better kill it at the rejection vote, than to risk no amendament will pass, correct?
<feklee> Does anyone have a schedule for tomorrow (time of vote, etc.)? Can't find anything at the moment.
<gefatter> yes
<jorism> time of vote is at noon afaik