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Fighting software complexity...
Software systems have become too complex, layers upon layers, each becoming more brittle and vulnerable to failure. In the end software becomes the problem, not the solution. We rebel against such complexity, fighting back with the most powerful tool available: language itself. Here.

spoznaj (klikni): REBOL 3.0 Component Architecture

nahlad

or GO to >>> Rebol 3 index
zdroj >>> The REBOL Developer Network/
priklad vyuzitia v praxi >>> http://twitter.com/#!/neosysta
rebels use >>> Alternative Messaging Environment/

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REBOL to become open source
http://www.rebol.com/article/0511.html

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https://github.com/rebol/r3

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jj. je to bomba, ze to takto dopadlo. konecne open source bude obohateny o NAOZAJ skutocne dielo.

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I’m often asked why I think REBOL is a “deep” language. This question is no surprise. REBOL’s ordinary syntax — the so called DO dialect — is unlikely to be very impressive to a veteran Ruby, Haskell, or C# programmer. E.g.,

pokr...

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HARDCORE ALTERNATIVA

Navrat k zaciatkom

Odkaz Carla Sassenratha
20-Jan-1997

Viac ako 16 rokov pracoval Carl Sassenrath ako veduca osobnost na poli technologie operacnych systemov pre spolocnosti ako Hewlett Packard, Apple, Amiga a Commodore. Amigistom je vsak najlepsie znamy ako autor multitaskoveho execu AmigaOS, rychleho a vykonneho systemu, ktory ako prvy v historii zaviedol koncept dynamicky nahravatelnych kniznic a zariadeni.
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Ste spokojni?

Zijeme v dobe, v ktorej vypoctova technika oplyva obrovskou silou. Dnesne osobne pocitace su az stonasobne rychlejsie, ako este v nedavnej minulosti boli velke a drahe salove pocitace. Aky je ale konecny dosledok tejto neuveritelnej vykonnosti? Ste konecne spokojni s vyuzitelnostou vaseho systemu? Pracuje a reaguje tak, ako by ste naozaj ocakavali?

Za poslednych desat rokov bol vykon neustale zdokonalovaneho hardwaru vyrovnavany neskutocne rychlo rastucim, zlozitym softwarom. Alebo je to snad prave naopak - hybnou silou vyvoja coraz vykonnejsieho hardwaru bolo prekonat stale vacsiu hlupost softwarovych technologii. Cez to vsetko, ako pouzitelne by boli Windows95 na 8 MHz pocitaci?
Otazka komplexnosti

Vyvojari dnesneho softwaru nechapu dopad ich "nafuknutych" operacnych systemov na svojich uzivatelov. V sucasnosti pouzivanie osobnych pocitacov od nas vyzaduje stravit aspon tolko casu nastavovanim roznych parametrov instalacnych programov a konfiguracnych "kuzelnikov", kolko ho venujeme tvorivej praci so zmysluplnejsimi aplikaciami. Spolocnosti ako Microsoft sa mylne domnievaju, ze bud mame tolko casu, aby sme nim mohli plytvat, alebo ze si vlastne uzivame nekonecnym hranim sa s ich systemom.

Tento nezmyselny postoj je ocividny v kazdom aspekte sucasneho softwaru, od vyvojarskych prostredi potrebnych na jeho vytvorenie, cez aplikacne kniznice (API) potrebne pre vytvorenie rozhrania, az po operacne systemy potrebne k jeho spustaniu. Tento doslova mor zasiahol vsetky stranky dnesneho softwaru, co je evidentne pri nahravani 10 MB sharewaroveho C++ programu zo siete, pri instalacii 80 MB aktualizacie operacneho systemu, alebo ked dostanete SDK (popisy pre vyvojarov softwaru) na desiatich CD-ROM.

Mnoho vyvojarov brani svoj software argumentami typu: "Co je zle na 10 MB programe? Nemyslite, ze uz teraz je pamat dost lacna?" To, co naozaj hovoria je: "A co, ak to trva nejaky cas stiahnut. Kto sa stara o to, ci mu to zaplni cely harddisk a zozerie polovicu pamate? Mozno konfiguracia je trochu komplikovana. V poriadku, ma to mnoho zbytocnych vlastnosti. Ale cez to vsetko, ma to menej ako tucet ocividnych chyb a bude to bezat aspon hodinu bez zrutenia."

Tito vyrobcovia softwaru si nedokazu uvedomit, kde je hlavny problem: zlozitost softwaru. V poslednych rokoch sa vseobecne prijal fakt, ze sucasne softwarove technologie su absurdne zlozite. Systemy sa neskutocne rozrastli, vymkli sa kontrole a stali sa rozozranymi, nemotornymi, pomalymi a nachylnymi k zruteniam. Prave tak ako nasa vlada, tak i coraz zlozitejsi software je bez zabran podporovany kvitnucou byrokraciou, pohanany jej vlastnym, obrovskym trhom, a tak neskuseny zakaznik nevidi ziadne ine moznosti.
Naspat k buducnosti

Co sa tyka "modernej" softwarovej praxe, dosiahol som svoje hranice. Poslednych par rokov som nesnival o buducnosti, ale o minulosti. Mozno si na tie dni tiez spomeniete... Textovy editor sa distribuoval na jednej diskete a to, co vyzeralo ako mohutny operacny system na disketach dvoch. Spominate si na doby, ked ste boli neuveritelne produktivni na 7 Mhz systeme s 10 MB harddiskom? Ak sa nieco pokazilo, mohli ste mat pocit, ze mate velku sancu to sami napravit.

Pre mna toto vsetko znamena, ze chcem na pocitaci pracovat a nie byt pocitacom zotrocovany. Hovorim o tom, byt panmi svojich pocitacov a nie naopak. Pred desiatimi rokmi to bola pravda, ale teraz uz nie. Je vobec mozne opat ziskat tuto poziciu? Alebo je uz teraz tato myslienka stratena a zapadne prachom vecnosti? Kazdy mi pripomina, ze svet osobnych pocitacov uplne ovladol jediny system - ten, ktoremu podla mna chyba nielen sudrznost a rovnorodost, vykonost, spolahliva architektura, ale aj rozumne vyhliadky do buducnosti.

Azda sa nachadzame vo vychodiskovom bode dalsieho vyvoja osobnych pocitacov a prave to je miesto, kde musime zacat. Mojou uprimnou nadejou je, ze po celom svete je dost rozptylenych skupiniek rebelov, ktore presne tak ako ja odmietaju sklonit hlavu pred "imperiom" (alebo tak spravili pod natlakom a teraz hladaju moznost ako uniknut). S vasou rozhodujucou ucastou mozme znovu vytvorit nasu lepsiu buducnost, a tak sa vratit k pociatocnej myslienke osobnych pocitacov.
Moja uloha

V dobe, kedy som vytvoril multitaskovu architekturu Amiga OS, som predpokladal, ze operacne systemy sa budu dalej zlepsovat. Domnieval som sa, ze ak 5 milionov ludi pouziva Amigu a ocenuje jej design, tak moja praca bola prinosom. Odlozil som predstavu noveho operacneho systemu, naivne si mysliac, ze pomyselnu pochoden lepsej buducnosti prevezmu ini. No nestalo sa tak. Viem, ze som spravil chybu a teraz to lutujem.

Teraz som vsak pripraveny vyvinut system, nad ktorym som uvazoval poslednych desat rokov. Nehovorim tu o vytvoreni klonu nejakeho uz existujuceho systemu (vratane Amiga OS). Vsetko co chcem, je osobny pocitac, ktory by som rad pouzival: system, ktory je naozaj jednoducho ovladatelny, sudrzny, flexibilny, vykonny, maly a rychly.

Moj plan ma dve fazy. Ulohou prvej fazy je dokoncenie noveho skriptovacieho a ovladacieho jazyka. Vo svojich volnych chvilach som na tomto jazyku pracoval mnoho rokov. Ale poslednych par mesiacov sa tejto cinnosti venujem neprestajne - jazyk je uz takmer pripraveny na svoje prve (alfa) vydanie. V priebehu dalsich mesiacov budu dostupne verzie pre vsetky vyznamne platformy.

Pytate sa preco jazyk? Pretoze verim, ze zakladmi vypoctovej techniky nie su operacne systemy alebo technologie procesorov, ale su to moznosti jazyka. Jazyk je nastrojom myslenia a zaroven prostriedkom komunikacie. Prave tak ako je nasa mysel tvarovana jazykom ludskym, tak su operacne systemy tvarovane jazykmi programovacimi. Implementujeme len to, co je mozne vyjadrit. Ak nieco nie je mozne vyjadrit, potom to nie je mozne ani implementovat.

Hned ako bude jazyk dokonceny a zacne sa distribuovat, pride na rad druha faza: vyvinut maly a vsestranny operacny system, ktory bude jedinecnym sposobom integrovany s jazykom. Nastavovanie atributov, ovladacie skripty, konfiguracia, instalacia, komunikacia medzi procesmi a distribuovane spracovavanie, toto vsetko bude zaistovat jazyk. Aj nadalej bude mozne vytvarat aplikacie v roznych inych jazykoch ako napr. v C, ale niektore casti ich systemoveho rozhrania budu zabezpecovane jazykom operacneho systemu. Tento system bude dostupny pre niekolko hardwarovych platforiem a bude predstaveny neskor v priebehu roka.
Vasa uloha

Vyssie opisany jazyk a system su velke projekty, ktore budu isty cas vyzadovat moje najvyssie usilie. Toto je moje zivotne poslanie, nemam ziadne ine zamestnanie, ani ziadnu inu pracovnu zmluvu. Zatial absolutne nemam v umysle predat sa hocakej velkej spolocnosti alebo byt pohanany chamtivostou Wall Streetu. Urobit tak by znamenalo riskovat a v nasledujucich rokoch pravdepodobne (opat) stratit kontrolu v prospech tych, ktori nemaju porozumenie a postradaju prezieravost robit spravne rozhodnutia v pravy cas.

Namiesto toho mojim cielom je zistit, ci je dostatok takych ludi, ktori citia tak ako ja. Teda zistit, kto z vas chce mat na vyber, kto chce system, ktory z vas urobi panov svojich pocitacov a kolki z vas by boli ochotni pomoct financnou podporou.

Uvazoval som nad tym mnoho mesiacov, ale pretoze som nikdy predtym nepracoval na projekte financovanom uzivatelmi, neviem, co mozem ocakavat. Teraz som plny nadeji, ale taktiez som mierne nervozny. Tento navrh, ktory vam predkladam, je velmi riskantny. Ak sa vam zapacil, zoberte si ho prosim k srdcu a porozmyslajte nad nim, pretoze nie som schopny dokoncit ho bez vasej ucasti.

Nadisiel cas urobit nieco ine. Nadisiel cas urobit nieco pre nas. Dufam, ze sa ku mne pripojite - ako rebeli budeme bojovat proti zhubnej zlozitosti softwaru a vitazne sa vratime ako pani svojich pocitacov.

Ako vzdy Vas,

Carl Sassenrath
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Ciele REBOLu

Carl Sassenrath
Aktualizovane: 6-Apr-97

Cielom vyvoja REBOLu je vniest rovnovahu medzi nasledujuce zakladne ciele. Tieto ciele viedli stadium navrhu a implementacie, a nadalej budu sluzit ako vychodisko pre buduce vylepsenia a rozsirenia.
Produktivnost
Len s niekolkymi riadkami REBOLu musi byt uzivatel schopny vykreslit obrazok, prehrat zvukovu vzorku, zobrazit text, vstupit do databazy, nahrat subor zo siete, atd. Programy sa musia dat jednoducho vytvarat (bez zvlastnych znakov, zlozitych include-suborov, specialnych definicii) a lahko modifikovat.

Sudrznost
Syntax jazyka, ale taktiez gramatika musi byt minimalna a sudrzna (konzistentna) az do takej miery, ze vacsina novych uzivatelov by sa mala stat v REBOLe produktivnou uz po strucnom uvode.

Kompaktnost
REBOL musi byt dostatocne maly, aby mohol bezat na mnohych roznorodych systemoch zahrnujuc osobne pocitace, sietove servery, set-top boxy, laptopy, telefony, tlaciarne a systemy pre specialne ucely (embedded systems). Nahratie REBOLu z Internetu by nemalo trvat dlhsie ako 30 sekund s 28.8Kb modemom.

Ucinnost
Vyrazove prostriedky REBOLu musia vyniknut nad tradicnymi skriptovacimi a programovacimi jazykmi. REBOL by mal umoznovat vzajomne kombinovanie kodu a dat, aby uzivatel mohol vytvarat datami riadene "dialekty" alebo "subjazyky".

Prenositelnost
Programy napisane v REBOLe musia byt chranene pred zvlastnostami roznych operacnych systemov, co dovoluje, aby programy boli distribuovane po sieti bez vplyvu na ich kompatibilitu.

Otvorenost
REBOL skripty budu distribuovane vo forme zdrojoveho kodu (text). Toto bol kluc, ktory priviedol World Wide Web k okamzitemu uspechu. Dovoluje autorom ucit sa zo sirokeho spektra prikladov vytvorenych inymi a poskytuje uzivatelom moznost ako zlepsit vlastnosti programu, opravit chyby a preverit kod proti virusom.

Rychlost
V dnesnej dobe by ste nemali cakat na svoj pocitac. REBOL programy priemernej velkosti by sa mali nahrat ("prelozit") a vykonavat rychlo.

Domovska stranka:
www.rebol.com
Stranka plna hotoveho kodu a informacii o rebol jazyku
www.rebol.net

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zdroj: http://rebol.com/rebol3/

What is REBOL 3?

REBOL 3.0 is an entirely new version of REBOL.

The main goal of REBOL 3.0 is to build a lean, extensible platform that operates over a variety of operating systems and devices.
Why REBOL 3?

REBOL 3.0 is an entirely new design built from the ground up using the insights we've gained over the last decade of REBOL exploration and usage.

In addition, it is time to make REBOL more open and enable greater contributions from our development community. This is the only way we can support REBOL over a greater number of systems in the future. more ...

Want to test it?

We have now opened testing to more users. We invite experienced REBOL users to check out R3 alpha.

vsetko = dokumenty, download, blog, forum = vsetko je v tom linku hore

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Overview

REBOL 3.0 is an entirely new REBOL that is being rebuilt from the ground up using many of the insights we have gained over the last eight years of REBOL usage.

History

REBOL is unique. In the early days of REBOL more than a decade ago, the design of the language was unique enough that there were dozens of deep unanswered questions.

For example, how well would the block mechanism really work for the expression of both interpreted data (code) and raw data? Could an entire language be built around the single fundamental concept of a series? Would REBOL's left-to-right expression precedence be more or less useful than the level's-of-precedence models found in most other languages? To what degree would the dialecting concept become a primary principle of the language? What should INSERT and other such series actions return? How deeply could network transparent messaging be implemented?

There were hundreds of such issues and questions. Back then, I could only make an educated guess based on two decades of language theory, design, and implementation experience. On many questions, I would debate myself for weeks before reaching a conclusion, and even then, I would not know if the final decision was the perfect decision.

The answers to these questions affected not only the overall design of the language, but also the internal implementation. As with any software system (regardless of how well designed) new ideas and deep changes erode the beauty of the original structure. Over time, the implementation becomes brittle and difficult to update and maintain.

Now, after many years of deep, daily experience with REBOL, I think we know the answers to many of these questions. Yes, for the most part, I think a lot was done right. But, for a few parts of REBOL, I think some fundamental improvements are necessary.

For example, I believe that some of the main design principles of REBOL ports were flawed. Second-order features (such as port field auto-inheritance or even the port-as-a-series concept) were placed above first-order features (like easy I/O access methods) and too many variations of external devices were squeezed into a single port definition, resulting in a large bloated port object. Some of these issues also hold true for REBOL's graphical object, the face. The standard face object became too large for implementing applications that might include thousands of graphical objects (such as games or very complex user interfaces).

In other areas, REBOL has simply grown. For instance, many applications have outgrown the original REBOL design principle of programming-in-the-small (PITS). There are some pretty fantastic REBOL applications out there that really show the power of REBOL, but I know for a fact that the PITS model makes them a bit more difficult to build and maintain than they really should be. REBOL needs to add a strong programming-in-the-large model.

In conclusion, it is time for REBOL to grow and mature. Note that I'm not talking about making REBOL larger and heavyweight. We don't want a 10 MB download or complicated install process. That's not what REBOL is about. REBOL is about being lightweight and agile, and REBOL 3.0 will remain that way. It's time to make REBOL what it truly can be. What you and I both want it to be. And, this time, you can help.

The Target Market

You've got to have a target. You must provide that singular special purpose that makes you the perfect fit for a specific group of people.

Being "general" and able to "do everything" at first seems like a good thing; it's a Swiss Army knife. Yes, it is very difficult to set aside what seems like a huge strength and say "we don't want to do everything" or even, "REBOL is not for everyone".

However, I've built an "everything" product before. The Amiga Computer (technology years ahead of other personal computers) suffered from the "it's an amazingly general purpose computer" syndrome. It was so good in so many ways that we all felt Amiga should do everything for everybody. But, that's not what people buy. People buy solutions. People buy applications. Very few of us buy great technology just to own great technology. (And, I mean "buy" as in "accept and use", not just as in "pay for").

Those of us that went through the Amiga unfocused marketing experience suffered from the "do all end all" attitude. Just ask any Amiga user; they will display their painful scars. And, I can attest those scars will never vanish.

Eventually, the world, not Commodore, defined what the Amiga was. In the USA, the Amiga became known mainly as a low-cost video editing system -- defined by the NewTek Video Toaster. Outside the USA, Amiga was an amazing game/hacker machine with tens of thousands of games and related titles.

So, I've been-there done-that (the "do everything" approach), and I do not want to take that road again. It's time to define REBOL's target, and I think most of us understand now what that target should be. REBOL is perfect for lightweight distributed applications. Yes, that's our revolution, and most likely, that's why you use REBOL and why you've even taken the time to read this far.

Yes, I know... Those words sound a lot like marketing buzzwords. I don't like buzzwords either, so let's not be blurry here. Let's have a sharp focus. Here's what I mean:
Lightweight REBOL itself is tiny, and its apps are virtually microscopic. Not only can REBOL be downloaded and installed in less than a minute, but the programs themselves are typically less than the size of a web page and wield substantially more power. In my book, Macromedia Flash is lightweight and .Net is not. Why is this important? Because it means you can easily create and continuously revise your program to the point of near perfection (within its specific domain). Lightweightness enables greater creativity because you can afford to experiment so much more.
Distributed It runs on the client. It runs on the server. Both are independent, yet both are united by a common language, the semantic cornerstone, REBOL itself. Distributed does not need to mean complex or heavyweight or any of what has become implied by the word in recent years. REBOL was created to solve this problem. What other software technology can so easily be the client, the server, the connection, and the persistence (the storage)?
Applications By this I mean "doing something useful". Solving a problem. I'm not talking about large do-everything traditional applications. I include and actually prefer the reblet (REBOL applet) model. The little app that does exactly what's needed. And, larger apps (e.g. AltME) are just framesworks that hold many smaller apps.

Yes, I know, this target market is not new. I've said it before. I've also seen the puzzled faces that don't quite get it. But, I'm used to that. There were just as many puzzled faces in 1983 when I brought multitasking to personal computers. I would say "it's going to have multitasking" and people did not get it. "What's it good for?" they would ask.

I think we're at that critical time in history, the edge of the next wave. With improvements in web browser methods (things like AJAX), I think everyone is starting to finally "get it". The race is on. They see our dream of what it means to be a distributed computing platform, and they know it's the golden ring.

So, it has come time for us to shift into high gear. It's time to unite our community, power up the REBOL 3.0 laser, and burn a hole in those weaker approaches. It's time to lead the way. The REBOL way. Vive la REBOLution!

Primary Objectives

REBOL 3.0 is a huge project. However, it's a focused project. We're not going to try to build-in every single possible feature nor solve every developer problem or desire. Instead, we are going to make REBOL a more robust and powerful system, and let members of the community focus on building specialized plug-in features that are specific to their needs.

Here is a brief list of the primary objectives behind the REBOL 3.0 design:

* Continued Lightweightness
We flat out refuse to bloat REBOL. Yes, we will be adding many important features to 3.0, but we're also chopping some things out. The footprint will still fall under 1 MB, but with more power than ever before.

* Programming-in-the-large
More powerful apps must be easier to build. That means adding modules (namespaces and scoping control), multi-tasking, more-efficient GC, and more debugging "hooks and tools".

* Hybrid Open Model, Open Interfaces
Improvements to REBOL need to happen faster and be more widely supported. In order to do that, we are redesigning the REBOL kernel to allow a greater degree of open interfaces, both internal (built-in) and external (plug-ins). This includes a new model for external ports (e.g. MySQL port interface to name just one), media loaders/savers (e.g. JPEG saver), and generalized plugin modules (e.g. OpenGL).

* REBOL-in-the-Browser
It is a simple fact that for many users, if you're not in the browser, you're not in the game. So, this feature is a must-have, and we will be providing the necessary source code (as an open interface) to get your help and make REBOL work across all browsers on all operating systems.

* REBOL/Services Built-In
All variations of REBOL will be able to securely connect to other REBOL nodes and services and efficiently exchange information. Creating such network services must be truly lightweight, both in construction and execution.

* Optimized Graphics
We're gutting the existing graphics subsystem and replacing it with a better, faster, and more efficient design. On top of this, we (and we hope a lot of the community) will layer a standard GUI framework that is both more functional and easier-to-use.

* Greater Locality Support
It's time for REBOL to do a better job at supporting native languages and character-sets. Our goal to expand support with locality and unicode enhancements. In addition, it is a goal to release 3.0 with French, Italian, and perhaps one/two other languages as part of the standard distribution.

* Resident Storage Method
REBOL's flat text file storage method has served us amazingly well. Applications like AltME store and access 10's of thousands of REBOL-formatted records that way. But, the time has come to provide a better built-in method for such data.

A variety of other features will be part of 3.0 (e.g. Rebcode), but we do not list them separately here. Details to come later.

Schedule

We think it is critical that REBOL 3.0 be released as soon as possible. It is, however, a very large software project, and we all know how those go. My personal target date is to have alpha releases available in the late April time frame, with beta by June.

I think the degree to which we can make this schedule happen depends to a large part on the REBOL community itself. Unlike prior releases, we don't plan to do everything ourselves. We need your help. Watch for developer feature requests soon.

I should also mention that our release date takes priority over our feature set. If we need to yank a few non-critical features in order to get the release out sooner, we are prepared to do that. We can always add back missing features in later releases.

FAQ

I'm opening this FAQ section for your questions. Send them to me via feedback, and I'll post relevant replies here.

Where can I find out the 3.0 details?

We will make details more clear as development proceeds, and we have something available for you to download and test.

Is REBOL 3.0 open to my feedback and ideas?

Absolutely. We want need your help and ideas. But, you're going to need to push and prove them. If you absolutely want to see a specific feature in 3.0, you need to be willing to do a lot of the work - both the research and the development. Don't just say "please support MySQL N.0"; instead ask "how do I add support for MySQL N.0".

How big is the 3.0 team?

The team currently consists of five people. We will be adding a few more. Specifically, we will need expert C coders with specific OS experience in Win32, OSX, Linux, BSD, and others.

Will documentation updates be included?

I think it is critical to refresh and revise REBOL's documentation for 3.0. More specifically, I want new developers to be successful with creating REBOL applications in the shortest timeframe possible. There is a lot of doc work to do here, and I must admit that I do not know how it will be accomplished. I think we need someone with this skill to step forward and lead the way.

What about Altissimo?

Some of you know about my enthusiasm for the Altissimo project from the 2005 REBOL Developer's conference in Italy. Altissimo is intended to be a great framework for lightweight applications. That has not changed. But, it was in fact Altissimo that pushed us to do REBOL 3.0. We did not want to establish massive adoption (millions of users) without providing a more powerful REBOL first.

Will there be an advanced debugger?

The REBOL 3.0 kernel will include new hooks for obtaining debugging information. For example, you will be able to obtain a backtrace of functions, step through sections of code, set a breakpoint and examine local varaibles, and more. However, we do not plan to be providing an IDE at this time. (We want one, and we plan to build or partner with someone to build a REBOL-based IDE in the future).

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http://www.rebol.com/docs/view-system.html

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neviete o nejakom sk/cz tutoriali ?
pozeral som na nete, googlil som ako drak ale nepodarilo sa mi narazit na navod v nasom rodnom jazyku.

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v nasom rodnom jazyku neni :(

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pozeral som na jazyk.. velmi sa mi paci, ma vsetky crty kotre by som od programovacieho jazyka ocakaval, brutalne sa mi hodi v praci, kedze pre neho je napr samozrejmost fetchovat stranky, posielat maily a podobne..
mam rad aj perl ale to ej ina kava, ten je vykonny v inych veciach.

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myslim ,ze neni treba byt komercny ,aby bol clovek uspesny. za chvilku aj tak bude mat skoro kazsy vlastne virtualne prostredie. aj ja dufam a verim ,ze budem mat svoj internet ,ktory bude paralelny voci tomuto. ved je to len o rozsirenosti IOS. ved aj dnes je ipv6 pouzivane a mozme do neho vstupit cez tunele ipv4->ipv6. takisto je to aj s Rebol IOS a podobne to bude aj s inymi alternativami. u Rebolu sa mi ale paci to ,ze chlapik navrhol jednoduchy kod ,ktory dokaze urobit mnoho. mnoho znamena tolko ,ze nejaky web moze byt vymodelovany pomocov HTML,DHTML,Javascript,Java,Flash,CGI,PHP a mnoho inych. v rebole mi na rovnako kvalitny web staci rebol. okrem niektorych moznosti Javy je to celkom funkcny nastroj. vtedy to bolo mozno nic pre nadsencov. dnes vsak vidim ,ze Rebol za poslednych 8 rokov vyspel na velmi vysoku uroven a nepotreboval viac ako uzivatelov ,ktory chcu pouzivat kvalitu a optimalizaciu softveru a urcite aj rychlost . o ostatnom ...

... vsetko je na webe ;) www.rebol.com

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http://www.rebol.com/command.html
kokoz zohnat nevie nikto tento kus softiku , ze ?

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aj ja chcem, keby sa ti podarilo to odniekial zohnat..

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no vyzera to tak ,ze si to nakoniec kupim
carl neni looser ;)

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http://www.rebol.com/news.html

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REBOL Readies Lightweight Network Services
New technology advances beyond web services
For Immediate Release
From REBOL Technologies

30-March-2005, Ukiah, CA: REBOL Technologies, leaders in dialected distributed computing technology, today announced its Lightweight Network Services (LNS) architecture that enables service oriented architectures (SOAs) to be implemented at a fraction of the size and cost of other technologies.

"Modern web service technologies are horribly complex because they do not benefit from being dialect-based, a standard feature of REBOL," says Carl Sassenrath, Founder of REBOL Technologies. "Creating distributed applications is difficult enough. LNS lets developers unwind the layers of complexity and focus on the true solution: the end-user application."

The power of REBOL LNS comes from its close ties with the REBOL language, a unique design that enables not only the expression of algorithms (code), but also the direct expression of data and meta-data. These dialects, as REBOL calls them, are context dependent representations of semantic content between disparate contexts over the Internet. REBOL efficiently handles the exchange, storage, and interpretation of data -- all from a single language. Other web service methods require four or more languages to accomplish the same result.

LNS also integrates high strength AES and RSA encryption methods, service certification, robust authentication, discovery, transport independence, and many other benefits, all within a highly efficient implementation.

REBOL Technologies plans to roll out the first version of LNS by mid-April, with final release scheduled for late May. LNS will become an integral part of all future REBOL products, including REBOL's highly acclaimed Internet Operating System, and the complete source to LNS will be made available for developer review, debugging, and enhancement.

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ten softver XP je uz velmi velky aj s tym officom a ked zlyha nejaky automaticky-superwizard, tak najjednoduhsie a najrychlejsie je obnovit to z imagu, napriklad ked sa vyrabal novy uzivatelsky profil, tak pri prvom spusteni chcel outlook instalacne CD (doinstalovat naozaj len minimalne minimum co chybalo po instalacii officu pod administratorom), no a ked v tejto faze nebolo officeCD zalozene v mechanike a stornoval sa wizard, tak po opatovnom spusteni outlooku aj so zalozenym CD uz outlook nedokaze nabehnut a doinstalovat sa, ano je v ponuke riesenie ako preinstalovat outlook resp. office a asi je na to dalsi wizard, ale ja verim imagu, ten zatial aj pod WXP je 1:1 ... zlozitost SW rastie dalej, objavuju sa cim dalej neuzitocnejsi pomocnici, a riesenia nemaju logiku, pomaha hruba sila aj pri rieseni malickosti

P.S.: Kdyz je na krabici napsano "Designed for Microsoft Windows XP" tak co by clovek chtel. V Microsoft Windows XP to funguje a s Linuxem se nepocita .(Taky jsem s tim nehnul). Na acery bych si dal bacha a na krabici bych koukal po obrazku tucnaka - hlavne nebrat ten Microsoft Windows XP - spatny distro.

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yo yo man
toto si ako myslel ? ;)
ci chcel si to pastnut sem ?

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ak sa mysli to P.S. tak je tam pridane len prvoplanovo, ked som v nejakom fore o notebookoch uvidel "WindowsXP - spatny distro" tak mi to znelo ako strasny odvaz, ale samozrejme respect, nie som linux guru a snazim sa z toho nemat komplexy a tiez nemat komplexy z windows2000 ktore pouzivam, no a celkovo prispevok ako taky je tu preto lebo outlook2003 je velky program, ale zase uz aj linuxove distribucie sa uberaju tymto smerom, aj ked tam je ovela vacsia moznost volby ako pri windows

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neviem co dodat.
outlook ma bytostne nezaujima. je mi luto ,ze to ludia musia pouzivat. ale sak na to jebkat. dik aj tak za haluzny prispevok.

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outlook je fajn pracovny nastroj, ale stale mu vela veci chyba..

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- rychlost implementovania Rebol Core do systemu / instalacia
- podpora HW a OS platforiem viac ako 40 platforiem
- reblety napisane v rebole su mozne po pridani plug-inu pozerat a spustat cez prehliadac (bohuzial zatial len IE)
- syntax a kvalita vykonavania reblet (java ma applet)
- narocnost na zdroje ;)
- komplexnost pouzitia
- a neviem co este ...

chcel by som niekedy pomocou tohoto nastroja urobit si svoj virtualny priestor ,ktory by bol paralelny voci internetu. tento nastroj vdaka jeho neznamosti a rebelstvom poskytuje velku ochranu osobnych dat a networkingu. je mozne pomocou tohoto nastroja odrezat sa od internetu a pouzivat internet uz iba ako spojku medzi jednotlivymi pocitacmi (nie je pod mienkou - Rebol IOS obsahuje vsetky hlavne protokoly internetu). internet zahltil uz skoro celu plochu civilizovaneho sveta. Rebol by mal byt hlbkou internetu. mal by byt paralelnym rebolnetom voci internetu. cistejsim . rychlejsim . kvalitnejsim . mimo internet probs. ma dobru ochranu . autor na nom robi 30 rokov. vytvoril mnoho principov v svete pocitacov. nemozem sa nejak presvedcit ,ze by bol nemozny. jeho produkty mi ukazali najvacsiu silu optimalizacie. vytrhnite ma zo sna . nemozem najst chybu . snad iba v tom ,ze niekomu chyba komercia.

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myslienka nieco urobit so softverom ma napada kazdy den, nie som programator a nevyznam sa v operacnych systemoch ani architekturach procesorov, ale napriek tomu som ochotny pouzivat system ktory vyzaduje vacsie ako obycajne kancelarske zrucnosti, taktiez som ochotny si odopriet niektore "zabavky" a radsej to vymenim za system ktory neustale nerobi vsetko automaticky, ak nieco nie je navrhnute naozaj premyslene a od novych zakladov (urcite musia existovat cykly kedy problemy a zlozitost narastu tak, ze sa s tym nieco musi robit, aj v ludskej spolocnosti to raz za cas praskne) tak to prinesie len problemy a taky system je systemom pre system, toto je aj o povedomi ludi, ja neviem ani co by som robil s procesorom ktory v sucasnost patri v spotrebnej triede do lepsej polovice a ked vidim ako je to vsetkym konzumentom jasne (DVD, mp3, rychly internet, telefon so vsetkym pre podvedomy falosny pocit moznosti vsetko ovladat) tak je to frustrujuci pocit, nie ze neprogramuju sialene simulacie alebo co aby sa vyuzil najnovsi spotrebny procesor, ale ze ani netusia ze by sa pocitac dal inak a este aj hospodarnejsie vyuzit, nejde o navrat spat, ale o to neprezierat sa bezdovodne a nehospodarne nielen jedlom ale ani vypoctovou kapacitou a tuto sa snazit zacat vyuzivat nejak inak a to v komercnej spolocnosti nepojde, lebo zaujmy su v spominanom prejedani a priemerny clovek s trocha vacsim zaujmom o pocitace moze v spolocnosti pre svoju snahu ist do podstaty trpiet, nehovorim to z pozicie za sa takto nejak situujem, ak ma nieco zaujima na urovni na ktorej som schopny to chapat, tak sa snazim nerobit si z toho problem, na sebe pozorujem kazdy den ako ludom co pouzivaju pocitac v praci na office a doma na DVD vysvetlovat ze uz neplati ze cim novsi hardver a OS, tym menej problemov a asi vyzeram ako ze neviem ani NortonCommander ked si vymyslam, asi to bude tak, ze pocitace pre beznych uzivatelov stratia svoju sucasnu podobu a budu sa vyrabat tak ako DVD prehravace a kazdy polrok sa celezahodia a nebude sa za taky kratky cas v nich nic upgradovat a podobne, spolahlivejsie potom asi budu, ale prinesie to mozno este vacsi pokles aspon mierne nadpriemernych pouzivatelo a tak dookola

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konecne nazor ,ktory clovek produkuje na zaklade zamyslenia sa.

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je samozrejme ,ze ma svoje nevyhody ,ale aj urcite vyhody. skor tu piste prakticky pouzitelne moznosti tohoto IOS. Pozretie sucasneho stavu rebolu na home page je minimalne potrebne na dalsiu diskusiu. Ak to niekoho nezaujima alebo maa vPICI . moze prepnut inde . nie?
ps: piisat -> jasnee je to super , blbost alebo podobne veci snad ani netreba . mohlo by tu ist o rebol.

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najprv uvidim ci sa toho vobec niekto chyti... malokomu sa chce asi investovat energiu do niecoho bez buducnosti

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tu nejde o peniaze . tu ide o zaujem pozriet si nejaky kus softu. HW a SW je pre mna konicek. normalne som obycajny predavac (zelenina a ovocie). zaujimaju ma pocitace a aj softver a je mi jedno ci ma komercnu buducnost. hlavne ,ze ho mozem pouzit pre svoj ucel (ak ho pouzijem). a videl som ako sa z hrstky ludi stala obrovska komunita programatorov. ked to tu nebude mat perspektivu ,tak na internete ju uz davno ma.
ps: ak niekto robi nieco pre prachy ,nech mrha energiou tam kde su prachy. ak niekto pracuje na pocitaci ,lebo ho to bavi a ma cas (nic ho netlaci), nech si to pozrie. REBOL ma zaujimave vlastnosti.
.::esgapal::. tu moc nepocitaj ,ze sa toho niekto chyti ,lebo si na slovensku. ak hladas ludi okolo toho ,tak internet rebol.net & rebol.com a tam mas uz vsade odkazy

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Klasicky vykrik "ó stareé dobré časy" Nech sa na mna nehneva, ale mam dojem ze pan Carl Sassenrath zaspal dobu a/alebo nepredychal, ze vyvoj siel mimo neho. A tie nezmysly o neustalom zlozitom konfigurovani systemu....

blabol

Ak si mysli, ze je v niecom inovativny a moze niecim dobrym prispiet do it sveta, OK, len nech to nepodopiera takymito kecami. Ak to bude dobre a bude mat kus stastia, tak sa uchyti. Inak nie.

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open source, linux, atd. ale chlapik to mal jasne :)

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nejak tak to vnimam z jednej stranky aj ja. samozrejme ten text je z roku 1997 a je pekne ,ze sa mu dari. A ja vravim nech sa dari kazdemu. Carlovi hlavne dakujem za multitaskovy exec AmigaOS.
ps: pocet uzivatelov jeho produktu narasta.
carl sassenrath nic pre IT neurobilololololol

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nice dream

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