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priestor na diskusiu ohladom :

1. vase skusenosti s 64-bitovymi procesormi
2. kompatibilita architektury AMD 64 s Intel x86-64
3. zakladne dosky pre 64 bitove procesory
4. overclocking a chladenie
5. 64 bitove programovanie / assemblery (Linux, Windows ...)
6. najlepsie ceny
7. vykon aplikacii
8. operacne systemy s pouzitim 64 bitovych procesorov
9. bezpecnost 64 bitovej technologie a 'dual core' procesorov

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tak som si dnes objednal uz z alzy AMD ryzen 2400g. je to v principe ryzen 5 s integrovanou vega kartou, najsilnejsia integrovana karta vobec v sucasnosti. k tomu 4/8 jadier, ramka na 3000MHz a k tomu odomknute pretaktovanie aj ramky na zakladnej doske. celkom tomu fandim.

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ulkas 25.02.2018 - 12:23:43 (modif: 25.02.2018 - 12:24:56), level: 2, UP NEW !!CONTENT CHANGED!!

Re: amd ryzen 2400g

teraz som dal cisty reinstall, nahodil kernel 4.16 rc2 (vcera vysiel). ide to v pohode. sice mi system nijak extra nesignalizuje driver, ale v principe uz vsetko co sa da, tak sa taha cez internu grafiku. dokonca aj v ramci virtualiek. uz mi chyba sa iba pohrat s pretaktovanim. takto vyzera vypis, takze este je asi co dohanat, zevraj v aprili to vsetko uz bude oficialne:



Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Device 15dd

           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 driver: vesa Resolution: 1920x1080@0.00hz

           GLX Renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 5.0, 128 bits) GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.2.8

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tak daj potom vediet ako to fici a aku mas dosku

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dost som sa s tym vytrapil. doska msi b350m mortar

- ako spravny profik som neupgradol bios so starym procesorom, ktory som v ten den vratil. takze som ani nenabootoval bios s novym.
- na druhy den som teda nanovo zohnal stary procak, a samozrejme hdd mi uz nechcelo bootovat, lebo bios sa medzitym vyresetoval a uefi ci efi ci ako to teraz funguje uz nechcelo uznat ten disk. grub fix cez live distro nesiel proste. takze reinstall systemovej particie jedine.
- flash biosu prebehol v pohode, je to klikacka. ale dost ma nasralo cele MSI, lebo ten ich firmware sa da stiahnut jedine nezabezpecene cez http (!). https uz vyhadzoval ertificate missmatch lebo to slo cez cdn, jebat. samozrejme na stranke ani ziadne kontrolne hash sumy, ani nic ine. toto je imho dost velky fail. teraz mam pocitac v principe uplne odjebany, co sa tyka security.

- tieto ryzen nove procaky samozrejme este nemaju uplnu podporu v linuxe. musel som ist na rc kernel 4.16 (zevraj staci aj 4.15.2, aj ten som skusal). ale nepomohlo aj tak, stale iba software rendering v linux mint cinnamon. upgrade mesa na 18.1 z pofidernych binariek. nepomohlo. potom este upgrade linux-firmware z este pofidernejsich zdrojov, kde sa kopiruju tie binarky rovno do /usr/lib/firmware (tusim). ale nepomohlo ani to. uz som poskusal tolko veci, ze to budem musiet cele preinstalovat znovu. kazdopadne je tam rozdiel medzi MESA 17.2, MESA 17.3.3 a MESA 18. cim vyssie, tym mi to menej trhalo, ale stale vega grafika nejde.
dokonca som pocas toho dokazal spojazdnit aj hw senzory - teplota cpu, dosky a rychlost ventilatora -, lebo im trvalo vyse roka, nez to dokazali pre nove ryzeny nahodit (od decembra minuleho roku). stale je to ale len workaround a nie nativne v lm_sensors

status je taky, ze v aprili maju vychadzak nove a lepsie zakladne dosky aj pre tieto ryzeny rady 2000. zaroven marec/april ma byt oficialny support v hlavnom jadre a aj ubuntu.

inak procak je fajn, teplota sotva 35 stupnov a to ventilator ide na minimum (je pravda, ze som zotrel tu stock pastu a dal nejaku premiovu). ale ten stock ventilator je dost hlucny, asi ho vymenim casom.

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cize, ak neficis zrocna na windowse, a nechce sa ti s tym serkat a fixovat, tak treba pockat s vymenou este aspon mesiac.
na druhu stranu pretaktovanie je jeba. treba rychlu ramku (najlepsie 3200mhz s XMP 2.0, ja mam 3000 lebo som nasiel vyrazne lacnejsiu). v biose sa da vyklikat navysenie aj o 1GHZ, rovnako aj pre ram.
kdesi na forach riesili, ze pre najlepsi vykon tej integrovanej vega grafiky treba co najrychlejsiu ramku. lebo ona si bezne fici na dedikovanych kartach na DDR5.

ak budes kupovat dosku, tak len s displayport, alebo hdmi2.0 (hdmi 2 vyjde ale az v aprili). ja osobne som bral hentu dosku kvoli 4x ram slot, OC na 3200MHz, displayport + hdmi, usb-c. chyba mi tam ale zabudovana wifi a bt (najlacnejsia by stala o 50 eur viac).

pre uplny lowcost sa da zohnat doska za 50 + ryzen 2200g za 100. perfektny setup pre domace multikino (HTCP ci ako to volaju vsetci) a hernu konzolu. da sa to narvat aj do najmensej atx dosky a spravit z toho nuc pc

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https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/hardware/researchers-find-a-way-to-disable-much-hated-intel-me-component-courtesy-of-the-nsa/

Intel confirms Intel ME disabling feature

jednoduchsie, bez pajkovania a prepalenia tej jednotky ako tomu bolo doteraz.

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Intel's Atom was mostly known as a low-end chip for mobile devices that underperformed. That may not be the case anymore. The latest Atom C3000 chips announced on Tuesday have up to 16 cores and are more sophisticated than ever. The chips are made for storage arrays, networking equipment, and internet of things devices. The new chips have features found mostly in server chips, including networking, virtualization, and error correction features. [...] A surprising feature in C3000 is RAS (reliability, availability, and serviceability) capabilities, which is mostly found on high-end Xeon chips. The feature corrects data errors on the fly and prevents networking and storage equipment from crashing.

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chcel by som vidiet tu cenu a spotrebu + ake sockety to zere.

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U C2000 sa maximálna TDP spotreba pohybovala podľa modelu od 6 do 20 W, u nových Intel avizuje len najmenšiu TDP spomedzi jednotlivých modelov 8.5 Wattov.

kua, ale pozeram, ako sa pocita tdp a to veru nie je priama spotreba cpu, nie?

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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-ryzen-launches-march-2nd.html

no kto chce poskladat nejaku zostavu mrte som zvedavy ne toto CPU :)

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ARM has been working closely with TSMC for years now. Over the last six years or so especially, ARM and TSMC have collaborated to ensure that TSMC's cutting-edge process technologies work well with ARM's processor IP. However recently, ARM just announced the successful tape-out of a test chip featuring next-generation, 64-Bit ARM v8-A mobile processor cores, codenamed Artemis, manufactured using TSMC's upcoming 10nm FinFET process technology. The test chip features what ARM calls an Artemis cluster. It's essentially a quad-core processor with power management IP, a single-shader Mali graphics core, AMBA AXI interconnect, and test ROMs connected to a second cluster by an asynchronous bridge that features the memory subsystem, which is stacked with a Cortex M core that handles control logic, some timers, SRAM, and external IO. Compared to 16nm FinFET+, at nominal voltage, the 10nm test chip offered a 12% performance improvement in a similar power envelope. In super-overdrive mode (Vsod), the Artemis test chip offered similar performance, but at 30% lower power.SoCs for premium mobile devices with next-generation cores produced on the 10nm process node are expected to arrive later in the second half of this year.

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http://venturebeat.com/2016/04/05/nvidia-creates-a-15b-transistor-chip-for-deep-learning/

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https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/03/23/0755221/intel-says-it-will-move-away-from-tick-tock-development-cycle

z dvojrocneho cyklu, ked 1 rok robili novu architekturu a druhy rok ju len zmensili, prechadzaju na 3 rocny: cize nova architektura, zmensenie, a optimalizacia predchadzajucich dvoch.

inymi slovami, technologia vyroby a vyrobny proces sa spomalila z 2 na 3 roky, tj 14nm->10nm bude trvat 3 roky, nie 2. a rovnako aj 10->7nm, pricom 7 ma byt uz maximum, menej to uz nepojde na kremiku

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The Verge reports the death at age 79 of former Intel CEO, Andy Grove, one of the best-known names in Silicon Valley, and in fact one of the people who are behind the fecund technological and business climate that made Silicon Valley a household name. Grove's professional life at Intel spanned five decades, beginning as a day-one, number-one hire, as director of engineering; he went on to serve as president, CEO, and chairman of the board, managing to write several books along the way; "Only the Paranoid Survive" is probably the best known. From The Verge's story:
During Groves' tenure as CEO, Intel produced chips including the 386 and Pentium, which became name brands unto themselves and laid the groundwork for much of the personal computing era. "Andy approached corporate strategy and leadership in ways that continue to influence prominent thinkers and companies around the world," Intel Chairman Andy Bryant said in a statement. "He combined the analytic approach of a scientist with an ability to engage others in honest and deep conversation, which sustained Intel's success over a period that saw the rise of the personal computer, the Internet and Silicon Valley."

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pekny prehlad novych cpu instrukcii. ja som sa naposledy ucil v skole o MMX a odvtedy uz sa toho pomenilo mrte:
http://danluu.com/new-cpu-features/

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Zdravim.
Skladam si pocitac a mam nejasnosti ohladom procesora. Chcem Intel i5. Aky je rozdiel medzi procesorom s VGA a bez VGA? Chapem ze tam je nejak zastupena grafika. Ale je tam nejaky vykonovy rozdiel? Pretoze graficku kartu kupim normalne nVidiu. Je to potom jedno ci to tam je alebo nie? Alebo to pomaha nejak tej grafickej karte?

Priklad procesorov bez a s VGA:
INTEL Core i5-2550K (3,4Ghz / 6MB / Soc1155, no VGA) Box
INTEL Core i5-3330 (3,0Ghz / 6MB / Soc1155, VGA) Box

Dakujem.

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http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovations/intel-22nm-technology.html

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Windows pre Itanium skončil, Oracle s Itaniom skončil. Osobne mi je IA64 platforma sympatická, zdá sa však že hrubá sila x86 víťazí v komoditnom ale aj serverovom trhu. HP sa bráni zubami nechtami - podobne to vypadalo aj na poslednom Technology update days. Pánkovia z HP aj Intelu svorne dodržovalí "kódex" išli si v svojej mantre o úspechu IA64. Realita je zdá sa však trošku iná. Škoda.

Hewlett-Packard (NYSE:HPQ) is "secretly" paying Intel (NSDQ:INTC) to keep producing the Itanium line of processors "so that HP can maintain the appearance that a dead microprocessor is still alive," Oracle charges in a court filing in the ongoing legal dispute over Oracle's decision to halt software development for Itanium.

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myslis tie itania co "zabili" alphu? mne prisla alpha ovela sympatickejsia :)

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Alpha je proste cool a ma ten 'geeky' smrnc. :) Itanium nikdy nezlozil 'kravatu' a je cisto pre 'velkych chlapcov' a ich 'velke hracky'.

Btw toto je celkom mile z historie DEC cpu :)
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/russians.html

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imho not, len Alphu neprodukoval Intel.

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Už v tom fachu nerobím. Ale zbežne vnímam že HP si to tlačí ďalej... Tipujem že stále ruka v ruke s VMS, až kým neurobia port na x86 a potom to nechajú zdochnúť...

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zdravim. pls pomoc. zhanam 2ndH Intel Core 2 Quad CPU, napr Q9650 a pod. vdaka za pomoc.

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dva tieto procesory
64-bit Intel® Xeon® Processor 2.80D GHz, 1M Cache, 800 MHz FSB

Cena? ponuknite. Do tyzdna by som to poslal na najlepsiu ponuku. Pripadne ak si to niekto vezme za 20 eciek plus postovne, tak su jeho.

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segrin chalan vyhral dost dobru dosku v pc revue a daroval mi ju, tak som do nej dokupil ramku a procak (intel core i3-530). Je to najslabsi z najnovsej serie od intelu, ale stale 2 jadra a 4 thready, plus ma integrovanu grafiku a je vyborny na taktovanie: cpu z 2.9 ghz zatial na 3.5, graficke jadro z 733mhz na 900, vsetko s originalnym chladicom a pod 50 stupnov. Btw prvy krat v zivote som videl, aby procesor nemal piny (tie su na maticnej, cpu ma len take placky). Tiez sa podarilo jeden ten pin z maticnej ulomit (.....) ale nastastie to nema vplyv, asi som mal stastie na nieco zdvojene. Slape to fakt super

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niezeby som bol kokot a nedoprial nejakej firme, ale akosi ...
...tak nejak...

... som poznal na poli procesorov viacej druhov, nie len Intel (niektori poznaju aj AMD).

na serverovom poli vyhrava x86-64 a AMD64. podpora Itania klesa a pevne verim, ze ten bordel procesor zanikne. uz koli nemu zaniklo kopec architektur (hlavne,ze marketing bullshit kvitol) a dnes uz aj ti najvacsi vedia, ze skoro kazdy logicky uvazujuci clovek vie, ze Itanium je nadbytocnym procesorom, ktory len zabera miesto lepsim technologiam (niektore su aj koli nemu v kome HP-Alpha).

takze, aby to nebolo OT tak:
x86-64 bit procesory bez problemov vedia nahradit nejake Itanium. a konecne prisla doba, kedy taku informaciu mozu prehlasit aj korporacie.
http://computerworld.cz/software/microsoft-zasadil-tvrdou-ranu-intelu-konci-s-itanii-6200

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HP silno vsadilo na IA64. Niektoré veci sú tam fajn, cell processing, vpart, nparty.

Ale aj tak, prišiel som si to sem unbooknuť. :)

Live long and prosper.

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mne sa na tom procesore pacila len ta tucna cache pamat. HP zastavilo Alpha procesory. potom mali tucne kontrakty s Intelom (nakup Itanii). nastastie som rad za to, ze existuje AMD64. mozem mat doma lacnu a vykonnu 64 bitovu masinu aj bez Itania. ;)

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Holt, x86(64) prevalcuje čisto serverové architektúry hrubou silou - jadrá, jadrá, jadrá...

Live long and prosper.

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ehm az na tu scalability do 8 socketov, ked toto vyriesia, tak potom mozno ale dovtedy nie

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ja som inak vzdy kupoval amd :) K6, Duron, Sempron, Athlon 3200+, a aj X2 taky ten notebookovy, a posledny kus pred par mesiacmi bol uspornejsi 235e, ziadny intel :) do tych vsetkych procesorov som zainvestoval, a do buducna uz ale budem kupovat len procesory s nizkou spotrebou, celkom by ma potesilo keby aj AMD vyslo s nejakou ultra uspornou seriou.

inak dovod preco som kupoval vzdy AMD je, ze som sa bal ze sa intel stane monopolom :D a potom by sa predavali za 100nasobnu cenu.

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som rad ze niesom sam paraniok :D

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